[TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
- From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:04:27 -0500
This is why I'm getting to the point of not answering anymore posts. It all
one upmanship Everyone trys to make your post look bad.
Phillip R. Hull STET
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FAX 517-569-2242
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:40 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
> Well..it's a good thing it's the weekend.
> As I said, this vert/horiz discussion takes on a life of it's own.
> We all know, or at least we should, being in this business, what
> symptom no vertical deflection gives us. Horizontal may be a little more
> difficult to explain, since lack of, or no horizontal deflection will
> sometimes also give us no HV.
> So.......................let's put this to rest, and maybe we
> can discuss whether a CRT implodes or explodes, when a bottle of beer is
> pitched thru the front.
> Let's get this over with, I put the comment in my inquiry for
> the one reason, because we had this discussion before. And at that time,
> we had more input then required. It was a play on words. Like saying
> more white then black, and someone will ask "How grey was it?"
> In the future..leave the word "line" out of the equation, and
> use the word "deflection".
> That way, we will never ever have to have this conversation
> again.;-)
> Now..let's work on this Implosion/Explosion thing.
>
> -Ed-
>
> Ed Gaidies
> Tel-Tek Electronics
> Ontario-Canada
>
> teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of J Silverman
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:48 PM
> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
>
> I dont remember that far back, but you certainly couldnt do anything in
> a
> math or science class without knowing the definition of horizontal and
> vertical (oblique too!).
> Jerry Silverman
> Greentron Inc
> 4 Newland Ave
> Greenville SC 29609
> 864 232 3889
> Fax 271 2080
> mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Camboni" <geo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:28 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
>
>
> > Everybody learns what horizontal and vertical mean at the elementary
> school.
> > Had never realized that being a TV tech shifts the world by 90
> degrees.
> > You live to learn.
> > Jorge
> >
> > At 11:20 p.m. 09/01/04 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Guess it all depends where you live. All during my years as a TV
> > >broadcasting engineer anyone you talked to in that field would agree
> > >with Ed, also any TV tech I talk to around here would agree with Ed.
> > >The only time I use your trems is talking to a customer who knows
> > >nothing about TVs.
> > >
> > >Al G
> > >Al's TV-Electronics
> > >Pembroke Ont.
> > >Canada
> > >
> > >hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ed, I agree with the other techs.You started this by stating in
> your
> post
> > > > that by a vert line you mean a vertical sweep problem.That is very
> wrong &
> > > > you know it;very non-tech like.Fess up & admit your mistake,we all
> make
> > > > them....Stay warm & have a great weekend...best
> > > > regards...Don.....................
> > > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:53 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
> > > >
> > > > > Well....look. Short of going thru 50 more emails, let's just say
> no
> > > > > vertical deflection, or no horizontal deflection. Let's forget
> about
> > > > > lines horizontal or vertical. Because if you read back your own
> > > > > description, you can see the confusion over something that
> should be
> so
> > > > > simple.
> > > > > This was just a play on words, on the onset, but as usual the
> whole
> > > > > thing takes on a life of it's own. For all concerned, this set
> has
> been
> > > > > fixed for hours, so lets move on.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed-
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed Gaidies
> > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics.
> > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > >
> > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George
> > > > > Sent: January 9, 2004 3:40 PM
> > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's get it right from a tech's view.
> > > > > The newer techs are having a hard time getting their jargon
> straight,
> > > > > making
> > > > > it at times hard to know what circuit they are talking about
> horizontal
> > > > > or
> > > > > vertical? There is a proper term for each in describing the
> symptom.
> > > > > A horizontal line results from the loss of vertical sweep with
> > > > > horizontal
> > > > > sweep working (hence vertical problem).
> > > > > A vertical line results from the loss of horizontal sweep with
> vertical
> > > > > sweep working (hence horizontal problem).
> > > > > Therefore a vertical line cannot be used to describe the result
> of a
> > > > > vertical problem, this is very non-tech.
> > > > > I hope this clarifies and reduces some of the misconceptions.
> > > > >
> > > > > George
> > > > > Afana Electronics
> > > > > Moreno Valley, CA
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:20 AM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not going to go into the line thing again, although we should
> get
> this
> > > > > > ironed out amongst the Technicians. When I say Vertical Line,
> I
> mean a
> > > > > > line that is created by no Vertical deflection. This is was
> sets
> us
> > > > > > above non- techs. After all...Doctors don't always say what
> they
> > > > > > mean.;-)
> > > > > > The problem I was having, was a combination of a (new)
> defective
> > > > > > LA7838 and C3C2..100ufd/35 volts from pin 1 of Audio O/P IC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed Gaidies
> > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > >
> > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:03 PM
> > > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitsubishi CS-2610R
> Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed.
> > > > > > Are you saying you have a horizontal line?
> > > > > > From Tech Repair CD:
> > > > > > MITSUBISHI\CS2610R\Vertical Lack Of Vertical Sweep\\\\Check
> > > > > > Components Off Pin #3 Of Flyback
> > > > > > Transformer For Open.\R558* D553* L502* R521. Pcb-Main\\\\\\\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MITSUBISHI\CS2610RC\Vertical No Vertical Sweep\\\\Suspect
> Open
> > > > > > Capacitor C480 (0.01uf 50v). Located
> > > > > > On Pcb-Main At\Ic401 Pin 3.\\\\\\\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing on your motorboating, but I did see some references to
> glue
> > > > > > becoming conductive...if you wish to
> > > > > > check that out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff Dougherty
> > > > > > Intrepid Video TV/VCR
> > > > > > 263 S Front St
> > > > > > Steelton PA 17113
> > > > > > fax...717-564-4952
> > > > > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:13 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Mitsubishi CS-2610R Chassis-UM2-B-C10R
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have this set on the bench. Originally thought it was just a
> Vertical
> > > > > > Problem, But ater changing IC (LA7838) and som caps in the
> vertical,
> > > > > > same problem. But after plugging speakers back in, all I have
> is a
> > > > > Line
> > > > > > (Vert/running left to right/or right to left) just so we don't
> get
> > > > > into
> > > > > > a discussion about lines. But also Motorboating in the audio,
> pretty
> > > > > > fast, about 2 X per second. Have HV.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any ideas. Checked 33V line down to about 31V. But seems OK.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed Gaidies
> > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics.
> > > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > >
> > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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