Ed, I've been paying attention for more than fifty years. I don't have any left---I'm all out---broke. The first time I saw a factory actually pay for warranty work was around 1969 or 70. Until then it was considered to be the selling dealers responsibility. Some would only supply major parts and we had to pay shipping both ways. IE: they sold us the part, when (if) we returned it along with a multipage form, they would give us credit for the price of the part. Since most parts cost us less than the value of the tech or secretary's time to pack and ship and pay postage, we hardly ever sent any back for credit. Magnavox gave the dealer back a (very) small percentage of his purchases from them at the end of the year to cover warranty labor. I think it was 1%. None of the other brands gave us anything. When Ford bought Philco they apparently didn't understand the wonderful world of TV dealers. They actually expected to pay us for doing warranty repairs. Just like the big boys at auto dealerships. One time I had to go to the house to fix a Philco stereo that had an intermittent problem. The factory sent a whole new chassis. I called the tech rep to tell him I hadn't even been there yet. Why did they send this? He said, we're not going to pay you for the time it takes to find an intermittent, just replace the whole chassis. I worked for a small dealer for a very short time in 1970 --- one of those times when you have to leave the place you want to work, to be able to get a pay raise when you come back, deals. He had a deal with a local discount chain out of Rhode Island, where they gave him a flat fee on every unit they sold from their Portsmouth store to cover any service calls or repairs we had to make. They sent a list of the units they sold by serial number every month, along with the check. I went out on a call on one of those and since he wasn't there when I got back, I tried to look it up in the files (apparently he never bothered) and it wasn't listed. Meaning they never paid him for it. After that we researched the others he had done over the past couple years and found they had been cheating him all along. They had been sending payments for about half of the units they sold. Or more precisely, half of the ones we had actually serviced. Apparently figuring he would never bother to go back and check each time they called him. He just checked for the customer having a bill of sale with the proper date. I knew right then, if I ever started my own shop I didn't want to do warranty work. Later, I took on Zenith only because the tech rep was a respected friend (from his Philco days) and he asked me to. The dealer I had been working for, dropped Zenith sales and service which left a whole lot of his customers without service and they had all known me for over 20 years at the time, as his tech. Also, Zenith was rated in the top three for warranty payments in the California ETA surveys. Russ Hoyt Hoyt's TV Exeter, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Hitachi DVD/VCR > Russ; > You haven't paid attention. > You don't get rich being an ASC anymore. But it fills in for the slow > times. > > -Ed- > > Ed Gaidies > Tel-Tek Electronics > Ontario-Canada > > Servicing the Consumer Electronic Industry since 1963 > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". Email Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/