[TCUG] Re: Sector 8
- From: "Wallis, Ian" <Ian.Wallis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:40:02 +0100
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Sunil,
Check the documents carefully.
The one I have from ARTSM says "Visitor - a visiting person who may attend a
site but cannot take part in any installation and/or maintenance activity"
and "Equipment Access - a visiting person who may attend a site, gain access
to cabinet equipment and carry out direct communications with highways
electrical equipment consummate to level of assessed skill"
All of the necessary disciplines for "Equipment Access" are the same as
those for your maintenance contractor.
Just to let BT in then you only need "Cabinet Access" rights but the
implication is that this level doesn't allow handset use.
Ian
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Sent: 23 May 2005 14:08
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Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8
Ian
As i have understood the scheme this is not the case.
Any one wanting to change timings or let bt in or have any sort of access to
the controller only needs to have the visitors rights which is entry level
and involves mostly Health and Safety issues.
Once they have been registered then they can apply for Grandfather rights if
they are supported by there supervisor.
Regards.
Sunil
>From: "Wallis, Ian" <Ian.Wallis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8
>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:53:32 +0100
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>While I agree with Terry, if this is to be the case then the Sector scheme
>needs to be made to address the needs of Local Authorities.
>It is ridiculous that a Local Authority engineer who wants to plug a
>handset
>into a controller terminal should need the same "Equipment Access" level of
>training as someone who installs or maintains electrical equipment. If we
>wanted to go down this route maybe we should have made this clear at the
>start so the scheme was relevant.
>As it is, I (and obviously others) do not think the scheme is appropriate
>so
>we are arranging for alternative assessment to ensure we meet our
>responsibilities to our contractors and our employees.
>
>Ian Wallis
>Derby City Council
>
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>From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>Behalf Of Terry Gardner
>Sent: 23 May 2005 13:38
>To: 'TCUG'
>Subject: [TCUG] Sector 8
>
>
>It is interesting to read the various reactions to the arrival of Sector 8.
>I believe we have to take the longer view. Once the scheme is fully
>implemented it will not be long before procurement, installation and term
>maintenance contracts will be written to include for full accreditation,
>just as happened when BS5750 first emerged. This should prove an
>additional
>assurance that companies wishing to provide signalling services are
>suitably
>qualified to provide those services, perhaps an end at long last to the two
>men and a van syndrome!
>
>Once we go down this line then we have to look at expectations and
>liabilities. For an LA which does not intend to involve themselves in the
>technicalities of their signalling, other than to issue instructions and
>act
>as an interested observer, then probably Sector 8 is not an issue. For
>the
>rest however, who may from time to time wish to open cabinets and change
>timings etc then the question of liability does exist and a term
>maintenance
>organisation has every right to expect that client personnel are equally
>accredited, because there could be an issue of responsibility and the
>possibility of invalidating the contract.
>
>I believe that the 'hands off' client needs to be aware of the Sector 8
>requirements, although not necessarily involved, whereas the 'hand on'
>group
>needs to bite the bullet and ensure that all staff likely to be involved
>are
>properly accredited. I appreciate there is a cost implication and that
>there
>are many LAs who find it difficult to accept having rules and regulations
>imposed upon them, but I believe that accreditation by all parties is going
>to be for the greater future benefit of the traffic control environment and
>that we should pursue that course now.
>
>Terry Gardner
>Traffic Systems Engineer
>Glamorgan Engineering Consultancy
>Tel: 02920820683
>
>
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