With respect, I would question whether the H & S risks for our activity are small. Working next to live carriageway, accessing controller cabinets with 240V therein, marking out loop detectors and general site inspections all rate quite highly on the matrix here. Possibly, we may be more hands on. Julian Smith Traffic Signal Engineer AmeyMouchel Area 9 MAC Motorway Maintenance Compound Pershore Lane Warndon Worcester WR4 0AA Tel: 01905 683221 Fax: 01905 683201 FeatureNet: 7969 3221 Mobile: 07979 707739 Email: julian.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dick Andrews Sent: 23 May 2005 3:00 pm To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8 This has been debated at the open meetings and on the freelist before. My understanding is that Highway equipment is owned by the highway authority and as such it is responsible to ensure that anybody who works on this equipment is competent to do so. One way, and the way that TCUG recommends, is to require all contractors staff to be registered within the sector 8 scheme. As far as its own staff is concerned however although sector 8 is one possibility, so is the type of in-house awareness that Ian Wallis has outlined. I would however suggest that some sort of certificate would be desirable. Basically the H & S risks for most of our activity is small (unless you wear a high vis coat in which case you may attract some verbal abuse from passers-by!) Dick http://www.devon.gov.uk/email.shtml -----Original Message----- From: Terry Gardner [mailto:Terry.Gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 23 May 2005 14:21 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8 Ian, I think you are missing the point. This is not just the installation and maintenance of electrical equipment. You refer to someone who 'wants to plug a handset in'. Surely you appreciate that handset access to a traffic signal controller by an untrained operator has the potential to cause disastrous consequences. In terms of 'Equipment Access' it sits at the very highest level and is the most deserving of accreditation. Regarding the comment that 'the Sector scheme needs to be made to address the needs of Local Authorities' if you look into it you will realise that it does in that anyone who needs to access traffic signal control equipment need to be suitably assessed. You cannot assume that maintenance engineers will make mistakes but LA engineers will not. In fact it is more like to be the reverse. Sector 8 is a golden opportunity for all sides of the industry to perform on a level playing field to an agreed standard and it will be very sad if we allow petty and parochial attitudes to cloud the issues. 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