[TCUG] Re: Sector 8
- From: Dick Andrews <dick.andrews@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:35:35 +0100
I accept that specific sites can be more "dangerous" than others.
Nevertheless as a generalisation I would suggest that the matrix rating is
because the severity of an incident can be high - but the risk is small. You
are not likely to be struck by a vehicle when working on the footway, most
LA staff should not need to access 240v. Those who need to isolate equipment
will have an OC20 certificate from the REC. Those who need access to the
highway to test loops etc will have carried out a risk assessment and taken
appropriate precautions. I was not for one moment suggesting that there is
no need to carry out a risk assessment and to adopt risk minimisation.
Dick
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-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Julian [mailto:Julian.Smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 23 May 2005 15:13
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8
With respect, I would question whether the H & S risks for our activity are
small. Working next to live carriageway, accessing controller cabinets with
240V therein, marking out loop detectors and general site inspections all
rate quite highly on the matrix here.
Possibly, we may be more hands on.
Julian Smith
Traffic Signal Engineer
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-----Original Message-----
From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Dick Andrews
Sent: 23 May 2005 3:00 pm
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8
This has been debated at the open meetings and on the freelist before. My
understanding is that Highway equipment is owned by the highway authority
and as such it is responsible to ensure that anybody who works on this
equipment is competent to do so. One way, and the way that TCUG recommends,
is to require all contractors staff to be registered within the sector 8
scheme. As far as its own staff is concerned however although sector 8 is
one possibility, so is the type of in-house awareness that Ian Wallis has
outlined. I would however suggest that some sort of certificate would be
desirable.
Basically the H & S risks for most of our activity is small (unless you wear
a high vis coat in which case you may attract some verbal abuse from
passers-by!)
Dick
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-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Gardner
[mailto:Terry.Gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 23 May 2005 14:21
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Sector 8
Ian,
I think you are missing the point. This is not just the installation and
maintenance of electrical equipment. You refer to someone who 'wants to
plug a handset in'. Surely you appreciate that handset access to a traffic
signal controller by an untrained operator has the potential to cause
disastrous consequences. In terms of 'Equipment Access' it sits at the very
highest level and is the most deserving of accreditation. Regarding the
comment that 'the Sector scheme needs to be made to address the needs of
Local Authorities' if you look into it you will realise that it does in that
anyone who needs to access traffic signal control equipment need to be
suitably assessed. You cannot assume that maintenance engineers will make
mistakes but LA engineers will not. In fact it is more like to be the
reverse.
Sector 8 is a golden opportunity for all sides of the industry to perform on
a level playing field to an agreed standard and it will be very sad if we
allow petty and parochial attitudes to cloud the issues.
Terry Gardner
Traffic Systems Engineer
Glamorgan Engineering Consultancy
Tel: 02920820683
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