Ian, I think you are missing the point. This is not just the installation and maintenance of electrical equipment. You refer to someone who 'wants to plug a handset in'. Surely you appreciate that handset access to a traffic signal controller by an untrained operator has the potential to cause disastrous consequences. In terms of 'Equipment Access' it sits at the very highest level and is the most deserving of accreditation. Regarding the comment that 'the Sector scheme needs to be made to address the needs of Local Authorities' if you look into it you will realise that it does in that anyone who needs to access traffic signal control equipment need to be suitably assessed. You cannot assume that maintenance engineers will make mistakes but LA engineers will not. In fact it is more like to be the reverse. Sector 8 is a golden opportunity for all sides of the industry to perform on a level playing field to an agreed standard and it will be very sad if we allow petty and parochial attitudes to cloud the issues. Terry Gardner Traffic Systems Engineer Glamorgan Engineering Consultancy Tel: 02920820683 ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender and delete from your system. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily that of Glamorgan Engineering Consultancy. ********************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug