[TCUG] Re: Sector 8
- From: "Wallis, Ian" <Ian.Wallis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:53:32 +0100
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While I agree with Terry, if this is to be the case then the Sector scheme
needs to be made to address the needs of Local Authorities.
It is ridiculous that a Local Authority engineer who wants to plug a handset
into a controller terminal should need the same "Equipment Access" level of
training as someone who installs or maintains electrical equipment. If we
wanted to go down this route maybe we should have made this clear at the
start so the scheme was relevant.
As it is, I (and obviously others) do not think the scheme is appropriate so
we are arranging for alternative assessment to ensure we meet our
responsibilities to our contractors and our employees.
Ian Wallis
Derby City Council
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From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Terry Gardner
Sent: 23 May 2005 13:38
To: 'TCUG'
Subject: [TCUG] Sector 8
It is interesting to read the various reactions to the arrival of Sector 8.
I believe we have to take the longer view. Once the scheme is fully
implemented it will not be long before procurement, installation and term
maintenance contracts will be written to include for full accreditation,
just as happened when BS5750 first emerged. This should prove an additional
assurance that companies wishing to provide signalling services are suitably
qualified to provide those services, perhaps an end at long last to the two
men and a van syndrome!
Once we go down this line then we have to look at expectations and
liabilities. For an LA which does not intend to involve themselves in the
technicalities of their signalling, other than to issue instructions and act
as an interested observer, then probably Sector 8 is not an issue. For the
rest however, who may from time to time wish to open cabinets and change
timings etc then the question of liability does exist and a term maintenance
organisation has every right to expect that client personnel are equally
accredited, because there could be an issue of responsibility and the
possibility of invalidating the contract.
I believe that the 'hands off' client needs to be aware of the Sector 8
requirements, although not necessarily involved, whereas the 'hand on' group
needs to bite the bullet and ensure that all staff likely to be involved are
properly accredited. I appreciate there is a cost implication and that there
are many LAs who find it difficult to accept having rules and regulations
imposed upon them, but I believe that accreditation by all parties is going
to be for the greater future benefit of the traffic control environment and
that we should pursue that course now.
Terry Gardner
Traffic Systems Engineer
Glamorgan Engineering Consultancy
Tel: 02920820683
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