[sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 21:43:04 -0400
Kelly,
That isn't what was being said. How can people communicate when the
message hasn't been transcribed correctly.
What brought the conversation to slavery and socialism was the
televised comment that blacks would be better off being slaves than
being in the state most of them are in today.
Who said that this means they were treated inhumanely?
If this is your understanding of ALL slave owners, you are wrong.
It is precisely the humane slave owners that are being discussed.
Those that took care of their slaves.
It was never said by Mr. Bundy that this was the best arrangement for life.
However, when you compare living in subsidized rent, with a free cell
phone, health plan and so on, and compare it with living with a
Christian slave owner - and historically slaves were freed after a
period of time - wasn't it seven years? Yes that was the origin of
sabbatical. Debts were discharged on the seventh year as were slaves.
Kelly would you rather be treated like the blacks in the ghettos or
like a loved and trusted slave?
The point is that the socialist way kills a man's spirit and destroys people.
One day the blacks will rise against the socialists and overthrow them
once they see how they have been deceived..
73
David
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Kelly <kellyutah@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ron,
>
> This is good. All of us, white and black citizens, now live in the same
> socialist nightmare. So you're saying that rather than living in our
> current circumstances, that we'd all be better off as as human chattel,
> chained, beaten, made to work without a free moment, separated from our
> family members, and once we're no longer capable of performing any useful
> tasks, left to die without proper medical care.
>
> Got it. Thank you for the clarification.
>
> Kelly A.
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:35:04 -0600
> From: ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts
>
> RG,
> You really are obsessed with that statement I made. I ask again what
> connection does it have with the Keystone pipeline?
>
> BY DEFINITION a slave is not free. But a slave in a free society at least
> has a chance to become a freeman. On the other hand no person, black or
> white, has freedom in a repressive society. This is what I meant and I'm
> pretty sure this is what Cliven Bundy meant.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R George
> Sent: May 9, 2014 11:15 AM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts
>
> RR,
>
> Would this come under your heading of Facts or Opinions?
>
> "I agree with Bundy that blacks have less freedom under socialism than they
> did as slaves."
> 04/24/2014
>
> RG
>
> On 5/9/2014 9:40 AM, Ron Ristad wrote:
>
> Opinions are beliefs people hold. They can be based on truth or they can be
> based on lies. They can be based on the latest information or they can be
> based on outdated information.
>
> Opinions can be changed. I change my opinions all the time when new
> information arrives. If I have an opinion about something and somebody
> presents information that contradicts my opinion and the information is
> credible then I change my opinion. Simple as that.
>
> Facts are real and not subject to opinion.
>
> That being said, some "facts" can be manipulated, such as the unemployment
> rate or the rate of inflation. The U.S. Government is famous for this. They
> simply change the way they calculate these things. In this case they aren't
> really lying but I would call it deception.
>
> Many people believe things they read on the Internet that are just somebody
> else's opinion and in some cases are half truths or outright lies designed
> to manipulate public opinion. Governments lie all the time. All you need to
> do to verify this is to read the official news stories in different
> countries. They often have completely different versions of what transpired.
> One or the other has to be lying.
>
> -RR
>
> "When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer"
> - Stevie Wonder "Superstition"
>
>
> ...
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