[sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts

  • From: Kelly <kellyutah@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 16:04:29 +0000

Ron,

This is good.  All of us, white and black citizens, now live in the same 
socialist nightmare.  So you're saying that rather than living in our current 
circumstances, that we'd all be better off as as human chattel, chained, 
beaten, made to work without  a free moment, separated from our family members, 
and once we're no longer capable of performing any useful tasks, left to die 
without proper medical care.

Got it.  Thank you for the clarification.

Kelly A.

Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:35:04 -0600
From: ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts

RG,
You really are obsessed with that statement I made. I ask again what connection 
does it have with the Keystone pipeline? 

BY DEFINITION a slave is not free. But a slave in a free society at least has a 
chance to become a freeman. On the other hand no person, black or white, has 
freedom in a repressive society. This is what I meant and I'm pretty sure this 
is what Cliven Bundy meant.

-RR
-----Original Message-----

From: R George 

Sent: May 9, 2014 11:15 AM

To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts




  
    
  
  
    RR,

    

    Would this come under your heading of Facts or Opinions?

    

    "I agree with Bundy that blacks have less freedom under socialism
    than they did as slaves."

    04/24/2014

    

    RG

    

    On 5/9/2014 9:40 AM, Ron Ristad wrote:

    
    
      Opinions
            are beliefs people hold. They can be based on truth or they can be 
based
                  on lies. They can be based on the
                    latest information or they can be based on outdated 
information. 

                        

                      Opinions can be changed. I change my opinions all the 
time when new information arrives. If I have an opinion
                          about something and somebody presents
                          information that contradicts my opinion
      and the information is credible then I change my opinion.
      Simple as that. 

      

      Facts are real and not subject to opinion.

        

        That being said, some "facts" can
            be manipulated, such as the unemployment rate or the rate of 
inflation. The U.S. Government
                is famous for this. They simply change
                  the way they calculate these things. In this case they
                  aren't really lying but
                      I would call it
                          deception.

                  

                  Many people believe
                      things they read on the Internet
                        that are just somebody
                            else's opinion
                                and in some cases are
                                  half truths or outright lies designed
                                  to manipulate public
                                    opinion. Governments
                                      lie all the time. All
                                        you need to do to verify this is to read
                                          the official
                                            news stories in
                                              different countries. They often 
have
                                                completely
                                                  different
                                                    versions of what
                                                    transpired. One or the
                                                        other has to be
                                                        lying.

                

        -RR

      
      "When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer"
- Stevie Wonder "Superstition"
    
    

  

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