[sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts
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RG
As I understand it without really researching, George Washington and other
signers of our
Constitution were slave owner captalists whereby slaves made them rich? Care
to comment
anybody? Think, think, think.
Comrade B
-----Original Message-----
From: R George <xgeorge@xxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, May 9, 2014 7:00 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts
RR,
Glad to know you and Cliven are so tight that you know what is in his
mind.
I forgot that a slave in a free society could become free. And I didn't
know that free societies
had slaves. If that is so then are free societies really free?
You might have missed this post from DT on 4/28/14.
The treatment of slaves in the United States varied by time and
place, but was generally brutal and degrading. Whipping, execution and
sexual abuse including rape were common.
Slaves were usually prevented from becoming literate to hinder
aspirations for escape or rebellion. In response to slave rebellions
such as that led by Nat Turner in 1831, some states prohibited slaves
from holding religious gatherings for fear that such meetings could
facilitate communication and lead to rebellion.
Medical care to slaves was usually provided by other slaves or by
slaveholders' family members. Some slaves possessed medical skills, such
as knowledge of African folk remedies and midwifery.[1]
Slaves were punished by whipping, shackling, hanging, beating, burning,
mutilation, branding and/or imprisonment. Punishment was most
often meted out in response to disobedience or perceived infractions,
but slaves were also sometimes abused to assert the dominance of their
master or overseer. Pregnant women received the most horrendous
lashings; slave masters came up with unique ways to lash them so that
they could beat the mother without harming the baby. Slave masters would
dig a hole big enough for the woman's stomach to lay in and proceed with
the lashings.[2]
The mistreatment of slaves frequently included rape and the sexual
abuse of women. Many slaves were killed as a result of resisting sexual
attacks. Others sustained psychological and physical trauma. The sexual
abuse of slaves was partially rooted in the patriarchal nature of
contemporary Southern culture and its view of women of any race as
property.[3] After 1662, when Virginia adopted the legal doctrine
partus sequitur ventrem, sexual relations between white men
and black women were regulated by classifying children of slave mothers
as slaves regardless of their father's race or status. After a few
generations, numerous slaves were mixed-race (mulatto) offspring of such
unions, although white Southern society abhorred sexual relations
between white women and black men as damaging to racial purity.
Frederick Law Olmsted visited Mississippi in 1853 and wrote:
A cast mass of the slaves pass their lives, from the moment they are
able to go afield in the picking season till they drop worn out in the
grave, in incessant labor, in all sorts of weather, at all seasons
of the year, without any other change or relaxation than is furnished by
sickness, without the smallest hope of any improvement either in their
condition, in their food, or in their clothing, which are of the
plainest and coarsest kind, and indebted solely to the forbearance or
good temper of the overseer for exception from terrible physical
suffering.[4]
RG
On 5/9/2014 2:35 PM, Ron Ristad wrote:
RG,
You really are obsessed with that statement I made.
I ask again what connection does it have with the
Keystone pipeline?
BY DEFINITION a slave is not free. But a
slave in a free society at least has a chance to become a
freeman. On the other hand no person, black or white, has
freedom in a repressive society. This is what I
meant and I'm pretty
sure this is what Cliven
Bundy meant.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: R George
Sent: May 9, 2014 11:15 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Opinions vs. Facts
RR,
Would this come under your heading of Facts or Opinions?
"I agree with Bundy that blacks have less freedom under
socialism than they did as slaves."
04/24/2014
RG
On 5/9/2014 9:40 AM, Ron Ristad wrote:
Opinions are beliefs people hold. They can be based on truth or
they can be based on lies. They can be based on the
latest information or they can be based on
outdated information.
Opinions can be changed. I change my opinions
all the time when new
information arrives. If I have an opinion
about something and somebody presents
information that
contradicts my opinion and the information is credible then I
change my opinion. Simple as that.
Facts are real and not subject to opinion.
That being said, some "facts" can be
manipulated, such as the unemployment rate or the rate of
inflation. The U.S. Government is
famous for this. They simply change the way they
calculate these things. In this case they aren't
really lying but I would call it deception.
Many people believe things they read on the
Internet that are just somebody
else's opinion and in some cases are half
truths or outright lies
designed to manipulate public
opinion. Governments lie all the
time. All you need to do to
verify this is to read the
official news stories in
different
countries. They
often have completely
different
versions of
what transpired.
One or the
other has to
be lying.
-RR
"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer"
- Stevie Wonder "Superstition"
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