[sonarblindbeta] Re: Sonar blind control surface progress

  • From: Chris Belle <chrisbelle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 03:11:41 -0500

I wonder if there could ever be some sort of
less mechanical way of doing this?

Maybe something will come out of the emerging 3d printing technology perhaps.
Materials that can hold shape but change quickly and then be re-formed again, I'm not a materials expert, but I can dream 'grin'.

On 5/20/2015 12:36 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Using the Optacon can be rough on the joints. I nearly developed
bursitis because of the Optacon about 25 years ago. Give me a nice
1024 by 768 tactile screen similar to the Optacon tactile array, and
I'll practically sell my soul for one. Notice I did say practically.
Imagine how many pins that sucker would have to have, and the racket
1024*768=768432 little pins vibrating at whatever the frefresh rate of
your screen is, would make. What's the standard these days--70hz or
something like that? The noise would drive you mad! But oh, the
access! And we'd be able to see all those shapes and twist all those
knobs forever!
220hz.
On Tue, 19 May 2015 22:49:03 -0500, you wrote:

The closest we can get is with things like the opticon and or motorized
faders.

Fascinating.

I've heard of tactile touch surfaces being developed but haven't seen
anything in the main stream for a while.



On 5/19/2015 10:40 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Yes. Well understood. I guess I've always thought of that concept in
audible terms, never as anything but a straight slope, like one side
of a triangle, not a curved line, which implies a bit of calculus if
you think about it--there's a delta rate of change over time. Quite
interesting really; it's not linear, which I'll bet a lot of us
non-visual-reference types probably assume (or assumed) that it is.
Another thing to throw in the mix is how our ears work--logarithmic,
not linear, so of course a volume change over time would not be a
straight line. Unless, of course, the graph is logarithmic itself on
that axis. Fsascinating stuff to ponder. Now wouldn't a surface where
we could actually feel these things as sighted people see them be way
cool? This is why I say blind people have better imaginations. We have
to imagine things we cannot sense, then translate that imagined sense
into what we *can* sense. I'm more than convinced that this ability
takes brain development that those without the sense don't have
because they don't need it. What a marvelous thing our brain is! It
can rewrite its own device drivers on the fly when limbs and things
don't work the way they once did, and just so much more. I could go
on. A lot. But I won't. :-) <grin>

On Tue, 19 May 2015 00:42:19 -0500, you wrote:

When you move a fader, it makes a graphical representation, acurve of
moving from one point to another in time, and that is your shape,

Like going from 0 db down to -3 db over a 2 second fade curve for instance.






On 5/18/2015 9:08 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what's a bus automation shape?

On Mon, 18 May 2015 08:55:13 -0500, you wrote:

Forgot to ask one thing. Will you be able to edit MIDI events using the event
list? Also, will it be possible to edit bus automation shapes? Previously, the
only automation events we even could find would be in the event list for
individual tracks. If you found such an event you could move it in time but
could not edit it per se. With respect to bus automation, you couldn't even
find it. You could simply remove via the undo command. The ability to have
greater control over event automation and bus automation shapes would really be
cool.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2015, at 8:17 AM, John Martyn DoItBlind <John@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all,
As you know I’ve been putting in long hours figuring out this C++ stuff. On the
final two files which are the critical part of this, I’ve had to start over 3
times to get it right. Converting things from c code to c++ is not easy and to
maintain the code integrity is extremely difficult to do. I’m about 70%
complete on the last two files. The code is very complex and was structured in
a way that made certain things impossible and I’ve had to create my own code to
deal with the issues. This week should be good and I hope to finish before
Friday. If you’d like to know, you can control the synths through this thing.
You know what this means? You won’t have to fiddle with knobs, sliders,
buttons, etc in the plugin window anymore. You’ll do it through a list.
Technically this should work as I’ve seen the code and see what it can do so
this is just the solution we were looking for. Mixed with the UIA these
languages put together in natively working environments are going to put to
rest
a
lot of accessibility concerns. What this control surface can do is far beyond
how it was used in the past so this should be interesting to see. Mixed with
HSC, UIA, control surface in native C++, and using the com API this thing is
going to be a beast of a program. More to come….
John







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