I just looked at the discussion by Larry Smith and by Michael Tsuk on where the ground should be placed in electrical models. Where the ground should be in a model is definitely a nontrivial question. As Michael points out, PEEC models can be used to compute loop inductances. Depending on the application we do or do not want to ground one of the nodes in the model. For example, for an inductance only model we need to ground one node, else the model floats. So we have a multi-loop situation where one or more of the loops have a grounded terminal to avoid floating circuits. For high frequency PEEC models the capacitances take care of the problem and then ground corresponds to the node at infinity. Then we can measure voltages as potential differences which makes sense. There are many more different situations where the best solution depends on other aspects like the connected circuits. Al Regards, Albert Ruehli ruehli@xxxxxxxxxx 914-945-1592 TL 862-1592, Fax 914-945-4244 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu