Earl If one designs them right then you won't need a blanket to cover up the mistakes. I have done over 180 of them and not once did we add extra copper on the outer layers to control EMI. I still think that extra copper is something to cover mistakes. Richard Jungert > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:42:49 -0800 > From: earlalbin@xxxxxxxxx > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ground planes at top / bottom layer > > Lee: > The Sun rises in the East and sets in the West. "ground layers on the > outside of PCBs to control EMI", East-West thing here. > > "Xbox didn't do it and it passes," ok, yes. Obviously their four layer board > had enough margin. Likely as well they started with a six layer solution > (safe), added up the cost (consumer vs profit) made appropriate changes and > they pass with a four layer. Six layers in not the only tool in your tool > box, many ways to skin the cat, etc... > > If you don't own an Xbox and you haven't torn it apart, why, if your goal is > similar. I hope you have the time to gain a critical understanding of what > Xbox did, mostly though why, they did what they did. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To all of those who recommend ground layers on the outside of PCBs to > control EMI, take a look at a PC mother board or the motherboard in the > Xbox. They are 4 layer PCBs that have signals on both outside layers and > the products in which they are shipped pass EMI standards. > > Where did the notion that outer layers had to be ground in order to pass > EMI come from? My guess is it is an RE. > > Lee Ritchey > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail®. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu