[SI-LIST] Re: Serpentine Traces
- From: Adam.Tambone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: rhaller@xxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:43:33 -0400
Hello Bob,
When applying the 2D field solver to the serpentine geometry, how do you
account for the bends perpendicular to the coupled t-lines? If you create
separate models for the bends are you still able to couple them with the
'straight' lengths of t-lines?
Thanks,
Adam
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Eric ,
For the example given, 176 ps/in -> 170 ps/in the difference
was
between 5/50 and 5/20 (Line width, /Line Spacing). The delay variations
were even more dramatic at tighter spacings.
To answer Andy's question, I click Info in Allegro - which I believe
measures the center of the line.
Regards,
Bob
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Eric Goodill wrote:
> Bob,
>
> What is 'close' in your test board?
>
> -Eric
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> Robert Haller wrote:
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>
>>Praveen,
>> This is a good question and has been raised before on the
SI-LIST.
>>Serpentine etch is often done to match clock lines or source syncronous
>>data lines.
>>
>>I did bench testing of serpentine lines, in conjuction with simulations.
>>I ran SPICE simulations using field solved 2d models then measured
>>varying serpentine configurations. I examined impedance and propagation
>>delay variations as a function of varying spacing, and signal edge rate.
>>
>>When transmission lines are serpentined 'close' to themselves the
>>propagation delay decreases (The lines got faster). For example if I
>>compare a straight control line and a sepertined line of the same length
>>on the same layer, with all the fixturing nulled the propagation delay
>>went from 176ps/in (straight line) to 170 ps/inch (serpentined line).
>>You can think of the signal taking a shortcut across the distributed
>>self capacitance of the closely serpentined lines.
>>You might think a propagation delay reduction is good, but I also found
>>the variability of prop velocity increased. I believe the variability
>>increased because the capacitive coupling varies based on geometry,
>>while normally the dielectric constant variations are the only source of
>>prop delay variability (for a specific rise time and frequency). The
>>variability is a small effect but is important when doing source
>>syncronous designs.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Bob
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