Watching Caeser is T.V. LAND......not the real world. It is controlled and edited. You see what they want you to see. Every BAD DOG cannot be placed with an "alpha" person. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: sheila lieberman To: EJDegen@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: woman viciously attacked at a dog show in Florida You need to watch some Caeser. He has, as have I through the years, taken dogs that seemed completely uncontrolable and turned them into pleasant dogs that are approachable and friendly. They just need the right kind of leadership. An agressive dog needs to have no doubt that it's life is not in it's own paws, but rather that the ability to breath comes from outside, another alpha. I know this for sure. However some dogs do not process input the way most do. In humans we call it mental illness, in the extreme. In dogs it is just a dog impossible to retrain due to inability to process input properly. But those dogs are very few and far between. 99% of all "bad dogs" are simply mihandled by the people who are supposed to have control. This Akita attack at the match is a perfect example, from what I have read, of a dog that is in the wrong hands, start to finish. And now he will die because the idiot who took him to the match had no clue what he was or what he might do. She deserves to pay for the victim's life. I have a bitch here that in October I expected to have to consider putting down for behavior. Now, I know, with certainity, that as long as I keep her, she will be fine. She has been to my pool store and bank, pet store and in front of the grocery. She will let people pet her if she can sniff first. I NEVER LET PEOPLE PET ANY OF MY DOGS UNTIL THE DOGS HAVE HAD A SNIFF. I tell people, dogs use there nose the way we use our eyes. They MUST sniff. But the importance of training cannot be overstated. sheila EJDegen@xxxxxxx wrote: Just as I've said before...I DISAGREE. This WAS the dog's fault. THE DOG DID IT. Is it also the responsibility of the owner? YES! Is it also the responsibility of the rescue that placed this aggressive dog? YES! But it is ALSO the dog's fault. I do not feel bad about the dog being put to sleep. Some dogs don't DESERVE a second or third or fourth chance. I DO feel bad for the poor woman who will be crippled for the rest of her life...she didn't deserve what she got. Julie Degen Fort Monroe, VA GSD "Cassie" BC "Radar" GSD "Yankee" In a message dated 3/27/2007 4:32:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: From: Dawn Restuccia Subject: Re: woman viciously attacked at a dog show in Florida Yes, it was an Akita....This was obviously NOT the dogs fault. --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================