In a message dated 4/15/2005 5:09:08 PM Central Daylight Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Terry..since we and I am sure others have finished dogs in both venues how do you arrive at your conclusion?To date..I don't think I have shown a dog to its championship that is unworthy of finishing in either venue.To me mediocrity whether all-breed or Specialty is a travesty to the breed...whether it be the specialty dog so extreme, it looks like a swamp rabbit...or the to all-breed dog that looks like King with his ass end higher than his whiter..it doesn't matter..both are wrong..you can say it is the folks..you can say it is interpretation...I say it is a justification..those who never show at specialties justify their position by saying "specialty dogs are cripples ". However..they fail to see the lack of proper shoulder, soft long backs...flat croups..long hocks and that their dogs lack movement that makes our breed unique...those who show only at Specialties justify their position by saying "Well these are specialty dogs..they are supposed to be extreme." this group fails to see their dogs are freaks of nature..walking on their hocks..dragging their toes and that their dogs also lack movement unique for our breed and probably are unable to participate in even the most remedial obedience, herding or agility events. so to me Terry..it is not about "interpretation"..there is no room for this type of interpretation on either side..to me both groups represent stupidity about the essence of the breed. Christine Grainger Christine, I was going to respond to Terry's post, but after reading your response, there is no need. I love to read your post. You tell it like it is. You go girl!! Randy Chesnut P.S. There are not two types of German Shepherds, but there ARE two types of judges. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================