[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: was small National entry? / two "types"
- From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx" <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
I think the biggest difference between the All Breed Ring and the Specialty
ring is the owners of the dogs
Specialty folks consider Moderate to mean Mediocre
All Breed folks consider Moderate to mean the Standard
Plain and simple it is the way we each understand the breed standard as written.
Terry
Steve Grainger <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
.The other day I stated I felt that the specialty GSD was very difficult to
breed correctly. Someone asked me privately why I felt that
way..the(unscientific) explantion(cliff notes version) was that we have
movement that is very unique to this breed.yet we also have a desired type
and temperament .many of.desirable traits in this breed are comprised
predominately of recessive traits. if you look at the original prototype of
this breed from years ago...the things that were acceptable..we don't find
acceptable today. Therefore..if you don't dilligently cultivate these
desirable traits.you will loose them..or they will be difficult to regain.
..I feel most all-breed style dogs represent more of the "norm"..or
moderate to even less than moderate dog. The moderate dog can be produced
even when the sire and dam are specialty type dogs..on the flip side..two
dogs moderate in movement and structure bred together will not as often
produce specialty style dogs..it can happen( because of dogs that may
factor in from the 3rd and 4th generations).this is why when you are trying
to make a moderate dog look like a specialty producer...you carefully
select bitches that are to the extreme of the specialty style..plus have
good producing animals behind them to override the tendency for moderation.
to me..this why breeding the GSD is a balancing act..and a difficult one at
that to master.C.Grainger
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> I think Christine is absolutely accurate in her approach to evaluating
the
> GSD.All of the points she brings up are essential to a good show dog My
> feeling is that a good dog should have correct type, and this is often
demonstrated
> in the AB ring. I think a Sociality dog just needs a little more movement
to
> make him/her ( in these days of required political correctness) a
specialty
> dog. In the past we have seen many AB dogs with not so hot toplines and
only
> adequate side movement.
> Hopefully those days are gone forever ,.
> I find this totally ironic that I am "preaching type " to the shepherd
line
> and at the same time fighting like hell with the Pembroke Welsh Corgi
people
> about their firm stand that TYPE is of the utmost importance. One very
> successful Corgi breeder has put in writing that he puts 35 to 40% on
the head
> alone...That's NOT what the standard says, but he wins everything..Even
when we put
> the now retired dog, Fxlor Schafrhaus Sammy Sosa in the ring, and he is
> considered the best moving corgi yet, the corgi fancy bred 58 bitches to
an import
> who can NOT move, nor does he produce movers, and Sammy was bred to 3
bitches in
> the mean time????????? Sammy produced two litters of 5 champions each!!!!!
>
>
> Chuck Kruger....
>
>
>
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