I know this is a controverial subject.......but I love the fact that at least we are discussing our dogs. <G> I think it is controverisal because some seem to think it necessary and love to evaluate gait at a walk and there are those of us that do not.......not at a REAL walk anyway. <G> I find it to be the most "controlled" way to show a dog there is. To keep a dog from pacing at that speed the handlers have to gather the dog up on the leash to get their front out of the way of the rear stride......and therefore you are again seeing an "illusion" of a gait. The only true way to evalauate the gait is on a loose leash so you can see the dog gaiting on it's own and not leaning into the pressure of the leash and the strength of the handlers arm. The speed is up to the judge. But at a real walk on a loose leash a moving GSD WILL almost always pace unless gatgered up and held up and controlled by the handler They are even selling 'special' choke chains now that have a large curved link at the throat so the dog won't choke itself so much as the handler holds it up and in the "position" they want that gives the "appearance" of topline, front extension, and rear drive........and we wonder why we are losing the correct powerful driving rear that propels the dog forward. Ah well............ Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com AGray40366@xxxxxxx writes: I've been looking at the post on gaiting and can't help but put $0.02 in. When the essence of the breed is the "flying trot" a walking assessment seems awful elementary. If you are in the center of the ring to assess the dog against it's standard, and the first line of the standard under "gait" is "a german shepherd dog is a trotting dog and its structure has been developed to meet the requirements of its work." then one would assume the best evaluation of the dog is at a trot. If you can't tell bad backs, hocks, soundness, and balance at a trot and need to fall back on a walk, you might need to look a lot more dogs. *********************************************************************** I could not agree with you more Ann. Walking does nothing for me, especially if they are pulling. Judges who do it, to me, are grand standing. I've never seen any worth to the exercise. Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================