look through the results of the WGSD Nationals - it will probably surprise most people. i think both evan ginsburg and karen hynek have judged their national - talk to them about the dogs. again, interesting. i will agree with ann on this one - it's a DQ in our standard - let's leave it that way. diane Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com In a message dated 1/14/2010 3:19:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: A lot of the whites I see still have a creamy yellow color mixed in with the white. I think this is because of the colored dogs in the pedigree. Check out this bitch and her pedigree: http://www.wgsdca.org/dogs/showDog.asp?name=vlamincks_diamond A solid black bitch was bred to a white dog to produce a black&silver bitch. The black&silver bitch was than bred to a black&tan. This breeding produced the bitch in the picture -- a white. Fascinating! Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: <barbmarkh@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD as a separate breed? When I first started in German Shepherds (a lot of years ago now) I was always told that white was disqualified because it wasn't really white. You couldn't breed white to white and get white (which they do now) - that white was really washed out black and tan - more cream than white. You could breed sable, black or black and tan and predict what colors you would get - but not the white ones. Now it appears the people breeding the white ones are really getting white with black noses and dark eyes. In doing some rescue - we have "rescued" several white ones and they all have had great temperments - very sound, smart - with what I would call traditional shepherd character. Until doing some rescue, I hadn't been around any white GSD - so just interesting. Barb -----Original Message----- From: cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Karen M. Carloni <kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:01 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD as a separate breed? Okay, I stand corrected re. Max. Are you saying the Breed clubs just didn't ike the appearance of white dogs and decided to disqualify them simply because f this? 'm not trying to be argumentative. I really want to understand *why* white is disqualifying fault. aulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member ellborn-Allemande German Shepherds ui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Karen M. Carloni" <kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> o: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:40 PM ubject: Re: White GSD as a separate breed? n Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:33:03 -0500, cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >If the only problem Max had with white GSD's was that he found white to be "exceedingly boring," then why did he believe that white should be a disqualifying fault? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ e did no such thing! Disqualifications were "invented" by reed clubs through the years. Max couldn't have cared ess. He was all about a dog's working ability. - aren C. mail: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx -- vast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. irus Database (VPS): 100114-1, 01/14/2010 ested on: 1/14/2010 4:40:07 PM vast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. ttp://www.avast.com ===========================================================================O ST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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