If Members want the Big National Show every year, suck it up and pay for it. The Venues where they are held are looking to make a profit too. I believe the Board feels when they have aquired something like the stalls at the National for no extra costs, it is a bonus to the Club. So, they go ahead and charge the exhibitors too make a profit for the Club. It's all about the MONEY. No MONEY no Show. Mike --- On Mon, 8/8/11, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What Are We Willing To Give UP for Dogs and the Parent Club To: fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 4:27 PM In a message dated 8/8/11 8:32:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx writes: There is one pot of gold, well maybe more like silver now, and everyone wan ts to spend it on their pet projects, without regard for the overall picture. Like I said a mini congress with similar over spending which will drive us into the ground. If I was going to run a company I would first look to see what generates for where my main income. I would preserve that before I did anything else, then look to fix where there are areas of losses to stop them. Correct me if I am wrong but we have lost big money on the past three Nationals. So if we take the money from the futurities, where we do make money and put it in the National it's fixed, right? Wrong. We need to look to stopping the bleeding at our National and not bring the futurities down with the National. Kris not Frank This is why I am behind Kris and Frank. I know this is Kris talking but it is so much behind what our problems are, that everyone should read it. I have spoken to Frank, and this is how he thinks too. We need more on our board that understand that while we remain a club for the members, if we don't deal with and handle the finances, there will be no club. If we lose money every year on the national, either fix it, accept it as a loss for the club and plan on it, or stop doing it. We can't just keep looking to make more money. We need to ask, "Why are we losing money, what can be done about it, how can we help, and were are the problems"? Is it too much spending, is it not charging enough, or is it a combination of that? Losing money should not be acceptable. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ; SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================