I think the key to a well written, a well depicted Standard is that the dogs from 50 years ago do look like the dogs of today. That's the whole point of a Standard...consistancy. There is talk that many breeds have changed over the years.....maybe, but I've always been amazed at how many of the Sporting dogs and most of the terriers have remained true to their Standard. How many of you have looked at paintings of say a Fox Terrier from a couple hundred years ago, and it looks like the Fox Terrier you saw yesterday at the dog show.....pretty amazing isn't it. But to be fair, GSD's are such a young breed....I think we're in the infancy stage of the breed....still trying to figure out what the GSD should look like. Cindy DPiagentin@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 8/15/2005 7:16:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: The new illustrations and photos will definitely change how the Standard is perceived. barbara ************************************************** Exactly and that is why the new one needs to reflect the way the GSD looks today and not 50 years ago. Lee Brown Well, I guess I will put my 2 cents in here, I agree with Barbara, the new illustrations if depicted to show the dogs of today that are being shown, will certainly change the perception of the Standard. Lee, your statement I do not agree with, the illustrations should depict the Standard period, not what a GSD looks like today, or tomorrow. JMHO,( that I do not share very often,) but the Illustrated Standard is too important to just let go. Diane _www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com/) www.debmarscavalierkingcharlesspaniels.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================