We feel the same, if we are going to be there, we are going to eat anyway...not going to charge a client for eating, for Pete's sake, lol. Kathy Let me pose it this way, Why should my priority clients pay for me to come to the show and show your dog? They are the ones who have a dog in my kennel, they pay a share of the expenses and its only fair that each client pulls his/her own weight. The multi-millionaire deserves the same courtesy as the working guy. Mind you... Im not eating steak and lobster, but when Im runing from ring to ring and my help is back at the setup getting 2-3 dogs ready-- I honestly dont think its too much to ask a client to pay for a 5 buck dog show hambuger x 2 (gotta include the paid help) divided by 4=2.50 per person. Dinner may be a little more.. lets say I ate a 15$ dinner and the assistant did too... thats 30 total.. thats 7.50 per person.. (if 4 people are charged)... all in all, you are only paying 10$ extra for food. Take gas for example.. it cost about 80$ to fill the truck... do this about 3 times to get from the show...240$= 60$ per person.. so realistically.. a 75$ and 70$ expenses for the whole trip... not a bad deal in my opinion.. Group I -IV bonus, in my opinion and standard business practices of an all breed professional handler are considered "above and beyond"... So thus, the group wins and placements are bonus. Now, you are correct, I do not charge a best of breed bonus, they are what I am being hired for. And Usually--- I wont charge a "do up" fee for the group. This is that sketchy area that is best resovled on an individual basis.. I carry Kerry Blues, Portuguese water dogs, poodles, Wheatens , Westies, Lakies.. etc.. so when you are continually doing up the dog..scissoring, Respraying, re chalking, and so on... You are right.. its probably fair to charge up a do up fee for my time. A german shepherd, at the group level might require re fluffing.. a far cry from the 2 hours needed to respray and band up a standard poodle... :-) *why I do it on an indivual basis*** Whatever the case, its best to know beforehand and make sure there is a clear understanding of whats about the transpire between handler and client to prevent misunderstandings.. and never be afraid to have em, "put it in writing" Mike Lynch (Who is currently working on his AKC Registered handler Status) ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================