I own a bitch ,leased her to the Martello's and she produced a Grand Victor, she has a grand total of zero points...Ed ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: My foundation bitch was not show quality. In fact the only thing she had going for her was a beautiful head , an great temperment and an OUTSTANDING PEDIGREE. She was sired by Sel Ch Cobert's Reno of Lakeside ROM, out of Ch Lakeside's Just Jamaica ROM, both out of one of the greatest producers in the history of the breed, Cobert's Melissa ROM. Every dog I have bred goes back to this bitch including over 50 champions and 17 ROM's. The best bitch is not always the best producer. An unfinishable littermate can be producer. I have an unfinished ROM bitch right now that may prove to be the best producer I have ever had. Time will tell. Pedigrees makes producers. JMO. Ann --- MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx wrote: > I'm with Kathy. This is something I've just never > understood. She doesn't > pan out for the show ring, but you use her as your > foundation? > And I know of people who do this, and then go on to > say "She never did make > it to the show ring *insert reason here* but she was > an excellent mother, > always producing better than herself." And then the > owner goes on saying how many > champions she produced. Well...yippee, but I don't > think I could expect a > bitch to produce any better than herself if she > wasn't finished. > > - Jackie > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 4:06:14 PM Central > Standard Time, > Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: > Just an honest question and I don't want offend, but > if "show dogs" are what > you aspire to, why would you build your entire > foundation on a bitch that > isn't "show quality"? > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the > property of the original author and of GSD > Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of > any kind are permitted without prior permission of > the original author AND of the Showgsd-l > Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, > REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL > WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST > MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A > VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL > BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management > at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to > AOL issues > ============================================================================ > Ann www.edangsd.com home of #1 2005 Major producing Dam, I've Got It All of Edan ROM Breeder/owner of 58 Champions and 16 Register of Merit I've Got Ch Mechanical Bull-Can Sel #4 Ch MeMe puppies ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================