I think fair charges are obviously, the base for for taking the dog in. I do not think there should be a bonus for going into BOB ring...because that's what you're there for, to hopefully take one of those placements. I don't disagree with a bonus for going to group, because, face it, the herding group is usually at the end. I do disagree with a bonus for a group placement, but, if the dog happened to go to BIS ring, wouldn't mind paying a lil more for that, and I don't think it's out of line to ask for a lil extra if said dog happens to go BIS. I wouldn't mind a handler charging for grooming because grooming supplies are expensive, and if you have multiple charges, obviously you grooming tack is going to run out more quickly. I'd think it would be fair to have a charge for the initial before ring grooming, but if you're going to group, I kinda feel that second grooming should be "on the house", just because it should be expected to do them up again real quick, but it's not as detailed as the first time (Just a few touch ups). - Jackie Marcato Shepherds Where it's about function, not flash ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================