[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: REF: going away vs coming at you
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- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:23:07 -0400
Jeff Pyle writes:
I disagree with you Jessica. We have more rear issues out there than front
issues. So that tells me that it's more difficult to correct.
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Hmmm... I've *always* been told by long-time breeders that fronts are much
more difficult to correct than rears.
Also, just because one thinks there are more rear issues out there than
front issues, doesn't really lend itself to the conclusion that one type of
issue is more difficult to correct than another. Doesn't it come down to
what one is breeding for at the time?
For example... Look at the imbalance between the fore assembly and the rear
assembly that was seen in a lot of dogs in the 80's to early 90's. I've
read article after article written by "pillars of the breed," such as Connie
Beckhardt, that expounded on the fact that front assemblies were being
ruined by "too much rear." And that recovering good fronts was going to
take a long time and a lot of forethought, while rears were much more easily
corrected. I've also talked to people who were in the Breed at the time and
they agreed.
These breeders were alluding to the fact that Nature has a way of correcting
imbalances. In the case of dogs bred for too much rear, the upper arms were
shortened rather dramatically. Those of you who have Reviews from this
period can see what I'm talking about.
The advice I've received from successful breeders has always been, "Breed
for the TOTAL dog. Do not concentrate on one trait more than another. And
above all... Understand and breed to the Standard."
If I am wrong in what I say here, please correct me. I want to learn.
Private mail is fine, but feel free to "educate" me on the List as there may
be other Listers who are interested in this topic.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: REF: going away vs coming at you
I disagree with you Jessica. We have more rear issues out there than front
issues. So that tells me that it's more difficult to correct.  Â
Also, I did not mean that judges should reward good fronts over rears etc.Â
 I mean that when evaluating the entire package that you should be seeking
out attributes (fronts, backs, suspension, breed type, athleticism etc.) and
not throw the baby out with the bath water because of one fault - such as
being wide coming or going.  If everything else were equal, then yes a
clean dog should win over a not so clean dog.   Â
Jeff Pyle
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From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx; caggra@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 3:26 pm
Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: REF: going away vs coming at you
Judges can see rear faults fairly easy and rear faults are easier to correct
in breeding programs.
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One presumes (one hopes) that judges aren't faulting dogs for poor rears as
much as they are rewarding dogs with correct fronts - which are much harder
to breed correctly and even harder for many people to evaluate properly.
Jess M.
Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)
& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)
Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC
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