Hi Michelle, Did you actually have a judge tell you that you lost because a dog gaited wide for a step or two going away??? Did this same judge actually tell you that it was okay to them for another dog to come wide coming??? I guess it's hard to answer your question, since I am sure you are talking about a specific situation.?? However - I would say what you have described does not happen every weekend?and I can't see judges penalizing a dog for going away wide for 2 steps..if they cleaned it up quickly.??I would assume that your incident was an isolated one and/or that the judge had more reasons other than the 2 steps going away as reasons to put the other one up.? Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Graham <vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 1:18 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] REF: going away vs coming at you I thought I'd start another line of interest as far as movement goes... When doing down & backs, why are dogs that are a little wide going away( I mean just for a step or two) are penalized for this fault more then dogs that are wide (very wide is some cases) when coming back to the judge the whole distance? Is there a difference of importance on going away vs coming at you and if so what is it? -- Michelle veni, vedi, "ViciSheps" home of RBIF CH Vici's Wind Walker, OFA'd Am & Can CH Vici's Abilene V ShadowValley ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================