[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: REF: going away vs coming at you
- From: caggra@xxxxxxx
- To: vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:21:42 -0400
Not arguing?at all here Michelle, I just see it differently from my perspective
in the ring.? I was at a show recently that you were at too and one of the
judges consistently penalized both faulty going and faulty coming.?? From my
viewpoint in the ring every weekend I don't see it easier to win with one over
the other (faulty coming vs going), but that is just my opinion.?? You just
have to figure out which judges will give a little on which and take
appropriate entries to them.?
In the perfect world, all dogs would be clean coming & going....but if all dogs
were perfect we wouldn't need judges to sort out whose attibutes are great
enough to outweigh any faults.?? I do think the best judges do try to find
greatness in their winner's, not seek out faults and end up with less than
greatness.??? Personally, I would take a dog with?multiple great attibutes but
one glaring fault over a dog with no faults, but in my opinion nothing great to
offer.?
Jeff Pyle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Graham <vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: caggra@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: REF: going away vs coming at you
First of all I'm not talking about any particular incident...You see judges
double check down & backs...and in these observations I have noticed that going
away seems to be penalized more then the coming...because of the way judges
change their placings right after they do this...wide going gets moved back,
wide coming does not...JMO
I was just wondering if there was a different value on going then coming and
Why??
--
Michelle
veni, vedi, "ViciSheps"
home of RBIF CH Vici's Wind Walker, OFA'd
Am & Can CH Vici's Abilene V ShadowValley
---- caggra@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Hi Michelle,
> Did you actually have a judge tell you that you lost because a dog gaited
> wide
for a step or two going away??? Did this same judge actually tell you that it
was okay to them for another dog to come wide coming???
>
> I guess it's hard to answer your question, since I am sure you are talking
about a specific situation.??
> However - I would say what you have described does not happen every
weekend?and I can't see judges penalizing a dog for going away wide for 2
steps..if they cleaned it up quickly.??I would assume that your incident was an
isolated one and/or that the judge had more reasons other than the 2 steps
going
away as reasons to put the other one up.?
>
> Jeff Pyle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle Graham <vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 1:18 pm
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] REF: going away vs coming at you
>
>
>
> I thought I'd start another line of interest as far as movement goes...
>
> When doing down & backs, why are dogs that are a little wide going away( I
mean
> just for a step or two) are penalized for this fault more then dogs that are
> wide (very wide is some cases) when coming back to the judge the whole
distance?
>
> Is there a difference of importance on going away vs coming at you and if so
> what is it?
> --
> Michelle
> veni, vedi, "ViciSheps"
> home of RBIF CH Vici's Wind Walker, OFA'd
> Am & Can CH Vici's Abilene V ShadowValley
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