[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: PAWS
- From: "frank fasano" <f.fasano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pmick@xxxxxxxxx>, <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>, "Cathy Murch" <fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:47:31 -0500
the newest version does not limit the number of litters to the premises- so
that would included co-bred litters born elsewhere-Kris
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From: "Peggy" <pmick@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>; "Cathy Murch" <fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:26 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: PAWS
> Kathy,
> My facts are straight. I don't think I'm hysterical. I also know
> where the "OR" goes.
> I guess you aren't getting the material from the AKC that I get.
> There have also been statements issued by Ron Menaker and Jim Holt
> published in some of the dog magazines. The AKC has stated that it has
> offered to do the inspections since the USDA already can't keep up...I
> think that was one that's been in Dog News. The AKC isn't going to do
> USDA inspections for free. Jim Holt is blowing smoke when he says he's
> hopeful that the AKC inspection will satisfy USDA...he must have had
> some kind of brain failure from the days when I knew him, that's all I
> can say.
> As it is now, I know one kennel in Texas that's on the regular
> visitation list from the AKC inspectors because the breeder gives them a
> spectacular lunch when they come, along with presents for their kids and
> grandkids. They don't have to keep going back, but they do...they enjoy
> her company! The first time they never even got to the kennels, and the
> breeder brags about that, believe me. Think USDA will be bought off
> with a fancy lunch? Maybe so...but again...this is not a problem
> breeder, just someone who breeds a lot.
> The AKC's position and the canned response (one of them) that they
> have been sending out contains the statement that AKC has to be involved
> with PAWS so it can be consulted when the AR groups try to lower the
> numbers...and if the numbers are lowered too far, AKC will "withdraw its
> support of the Bill." Like it will matter, once it's in place...who
> will care then if AKC is for or against PAWS? Nobody. The AKC has sold
> us down the river with its support of this Bill...I believe that because
> I cannot believe Ron Menaker, Jim Holt, or any of the other powers that
> be are that naive.
> The part you are saying about it's OK to sell up to 25 dogs that you
> didn't breed is incorrect.
> It may be true that Pennsylvania already has more strict rules in
> place. So do other places...look at Denver, no breeding of any kind
> within the County, or Palm Beach County, where the law used to forbid
> more than 2 litters a year, but now reads "fewer than two," which is
> simply ridiculous language. When the numbers proposed by PAWS in this
> Bill are decreased, how long before the State or Commonwealth's laws are
> more strict? Not too long, I'd say. If you still believe that those
> numbers will remain the same forever more, I question your experience
> with legislation and legislators.
> Finally, I have yet to be asked for any money to fight PAWS. All
> I've been asked to do is write letters and emails, and to make phone
> calls. Who has asked for money?
> I am aware that there are people who think PAWS is going to be
> good and that it will put an end to puppymills. As I've already said,
> if anyone believes this, I have this oceanfront property in Arizona that
> I'd really like to sell...and the price is pretty reasonable, too.
> Peggy
> Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > If you breed 7 litters (here's your "OR")
> > OR
> > sell 25 dogs you didn't whelp/raise on your premises
> > OR
> > sell $500 worth of other furry friends (non dog/cat)
> > you would need a license under the proposed legislation.
> >
> > Therefore, (in a rrrreeeeaaaalllyyyy ridiculous example) if
> > I whelp/raise/sell 6 litters
> > AND
> > sell 24 stud fee puppies (OMG!)
> > AND
> > sell $499 worth of ferrets and I would ESCAPE regulation.
> > Now, good, bad or indifferent, let's just at least get the facts
> > straight.
> > And where on earth besides the hysterical e-mails that are flooding
> > all of our e-mail boxes did you get AKC making $$$ off of this? All I
> > saw was Jim Holt "hopeful" that one parties (USDA) inspection would
> > satisfy the other's (AKC) and visa-versa? I don't get a conspiracy
> > out of that. I suppose somebody has to bear the costs of inspections,
> > but the AKC does it now for folks who have over 7 litters, and I
> > always thought they made it up on registration fees. I guess I just
> > thought the USDA would pay for inspections from licensing fees and
> > whatever fines they imposed.
> > Again, I'm not saying it's good, bad or indifferent (I've said for me
> > in PA and many, many locations it's a non-issue because State & local
> > regs are MUCH stricter than the proposed PAWS legislation), but let's
> > at least get the facts correct. All this misinformation and hysteria
> > are like nails on a blackboard to me <G>. Or, as long as we are
> > looking for conspiracies, maybe all the stuff I'm getting from
> > lobbying organizations I've never heard of are attempts from the same
> > to deliberately misinform, stir up emotions and get folks to open
> > their pocketbooks, lol:)
> >
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