[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Our German Shepherds
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx>, <kenandemmfoster@xxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:31:33 -0700
We have had most live to 13 and 14 years. That seems more 'average' to me.
IMPORTANT to me is... HOW do they live!? Are they healthy and sound and
happy
and full of strength and verve for their entire life....or... are some
living
to be 13 and 14 yrs. on medication and 'treatments' for health
ailments...???
I would rather have a dog live a great healthy sound happy life to 9 or 10
years than just survive on heavy doses of medications and spending a lot
of time at the Vets trying to diagnose problems.
There may be some members of the 13 Club that have survived bloat...or have
been 'tacked' to avoid bloat........??
Over many years we have lost three dogs at about 8 yrs. of age. One had
cancer
of the salivary glands......and we had to put her down as the surgery did
not
solve it. We will never know if it was because she chewed up a bunch of
insulation as a puppy ...that we had temporarily stored while building.
We lost one recently at 8 yrs....and he never had a bad day in his life
until
the day before we lost him. Frank checked on him late at night as he had
been unusually quiet that day as he followed us around. HE seemed fine
then.
Next morning he was gone. We also lost one at about 9 yrs. He had gone
through a horrific case of pnuemonia and collapsed lung from a massive lung
infection from a foxtail embedded in his lung the year before.
Without extensive and expensive necropsies there is often no way of
pinpointing exact cause....
Could the above mentioned deaths be due to 'inbreeding'...or maybe it would
not have happened had they not been all American Bred?
Does everyone know exactly why their dog died??
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Terry Cochran Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:41 AM
To: kenandemmfoster@xxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Our German Shepherds
I think you are right about the fact that we now know instantly when a dog
dies we also can spread rumors like a wild fire. Wouldn't it be wonderful if
there was a place you could go to list your dogs passing with pedigree,
reason for death and age. We would learn so much. We have the 13 club but
where is a list of those dogs that made it? Best kept secret of Parent Club.
I don't bother to apply for a certificate. I know how long my dogs have
lived. I have one now that is 14.4 years. Most of the dogs that I bred using
those blood lines made it to 13. No illness to speak of they just seem to
run down like an old clock. If you talk dogs with folks in the conformation
ring age span is the least important thing. They are much more impressed
with wins than with life span. we are getting what we bred for. Finished by
2 years and dead by 7.
Terry
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On Jun 12, 2013, at 5:48 AM, Ken Foster <kenandemmfoster@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
> My first post, and just lost a beloved Ch.Harlwoods Keeps on Truckin
(Diesel) to hemangiosarcoma at 9 1/2 years of age.> I would like to throw
another variable into the discussion however. With the rapid increase of
our communication abilities (interweb)
> within the last 15 years, could it be that we are simply more aware of
what is going on nation wide due to better communication than was possible
> in days past?
> In any forum or mailing list people tend to post of problems, not positive
experiences.
> I am following this discussion with great interest as I have Diesel's only
male pup that we are currently beginning to show. The genetic link to
> problems in the GSD obviously is of great interest.
>
>
> Ken Foster>
>
> "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
sure about the the universe."
> -Albert Einstein
There is the GSD Review, years ago breeders and owners did put it there when
their
GSD passed on with the age and reason. I know how hard it is to lose a
member
of the family as I considered my dogs just that. When I lost my first GSD I
owned to Hemangiosarcoma I let others know by Yahoo Internet groups. I did
not belong
to any of the groups at the time so it was the main reason I joined them. I
wanted
to find out if any others had heard of Hemangiosarcoma. Barbara Williams
was
very kind as were several others in the groups. I freely gave my GSD's
pedigree
to anyone that asked for it. I do believe with my years of researching this
is
inherited be it directly or by the fact the immune system is weak. In my
GSD's
case he had a great immune system as he was never sick a day in his life
except one year & 5 months for one day before I lost him the disease. One
of
my vets thought he had bloat at the time but not the case since he improved
with lasting effect. He could eat any greasy food available, etc. with no
problems.
He was American and German lines and since I have found several dogs with
the
same lineage that have died from Hemangiosarcoma.
Breeders and Owners need to understand it is only going to get worst unless
they understand the bottleneck in the American lines today. There needs to
be some out-crossing of Euro GSD's of lines not of what has been line-bred
and inbred off of for years. There is more to breeding and owning a GSD than
Championships and Titles. The general public are moving away from GSD
and the AKC Shows prove this to be fact. The last AKC Show I attended I was
told
by a person that was the breeder of the Australian Cattle Dogs that she is
selling dogs now to people that use to own GSD's. The health issues and
conformation is turning people away. Just take a look at the AKC Shows
and compare the other breeds number that are showing. The last Speciality
Show I attended there was a American-German GSD that did very well in
the class so yes they can win. I had a AKC judge I talked to at a show
tell me that she would no longer place GSD's with incorrect conformation
as others are feeling the same.
Theresa
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