"but if there is a legitimate reason for the tooth to be gone and it is NOT because of genetics, why shouldn't the judge be allowed to consider the letter/picture/documentation?" "Any missing teeth other than first premolars is a serious fault. " Technically speaking, a "missing tooth" is a MISSING TOOTH. If the GSDCA had wanted an exemption it would have included one when the standard was written. When judges start deciding what parts of the standard to follow and what parts to ignore, they cheapen the standard and in return the breed - why not just scrap the standard altogether and allow the judges to set their own criteria and select the dogs that meets it? A missing tooth should carry the same weight as any other serious fault until the problem is addressed and the standard is changed. http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm Gayle & the Hooligans! Ringer-Honey-Kelly-Mac-Slider-Bruiser Waiting at the Bridge: Andy-Abbey-Tasha-Tex-Echo-Yukon-JR-Too-Niki-Bo -- MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx wrote: I do suppose I'll have to disagree then. If a dog had full dentition, and a tooth/teeth were lost due to decay/accident why should the dog be penalized for it, if one can prove it was there, and was not lost due to genetics? Obviously, it will depend on the dog, the day, and the judge that is looking at the class, but if there is a legitimate reason for the tooth to be gone and it is NOT because of genetics, why shouldn't the judge be allowed to consider the letter/picture/documentation? Technically speaking, it is not a fault if the dog did not lose the tooth because of genetic reasons. - Jackie Marcato Shepherds Where it's about function, not flash In a message dated 12/7/2005 1:11:09 PM Central Standard Time, arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: A judge should NOT be allowed to consider a letter of explanation for a fault or DQ unless the standard or AKC rules are changed to allow reasonable ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================