Sorry, but I'm confused. If a missing tooth is described in the breed standard as a fault or serious fault, where in the rules does it say the judge is allowed to accept a reasonable explanation for that missing tooth? I mean if it's a missing tooth, it's a missing tooth. This sounds like the entire standard isn't worth the paper it's printed on. I always "thought" that the judges are supposed to abide by the standard but it appears they can do any thing they want, ignore the parts of the standard they chose to ignore - so why even bother showing dogs? Reading this thread makes me feel like polishing off my WGSD, getting a letter from a genetics expert to explain that he's really a colored dog with a white overcoat and showing him to his championship. He doesn't have testicles so I guess I'll get a note from the vet that he had them too. He's a longhair but that's okay because the standard doesn't define coat length that carefully. BUT he has ALL his teeth!!! Gayle & the Hooligans! Ringer-Honey-Kelly-Mac-Slider-Bruiser Waiting at the Bridge: Andy-Abbey-Tasha-Tex-Echo-Yukon-JR-Too-Niki-Bo -- ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2005 8:46:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pmick@xxxxxxxxx writes: Does that mean you'd want a letter from the vet for a dog with one testicle, too? Where are you going to draw the line? Exactly where the AKC tells me I can. So far they leave it up to the judge in the center of the ring to decide. Each one does what he feels is right within the rules they set up. Some judges choose to think everyone is dishonest, some believe everyone. It is a personal decision. I most often do it my way. There is nothing wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================