[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: My Choice

  • From: "arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx" <arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:17:49 GMT

I agree it's about breed integrity, the way we maintain it is following the 
breed standard.  But until AKC, or the GSDCA, follows ASCA's example, or 
chooses to address the issue in other ways, the missing tooth should be 
considered a serious fault per the standard.  Until that time, judges encounter 
exhibitors who dye their dogs, enhance pigment on the nose or nails, etc. 
telling the judge that the tooth was lost in an accident.  Who to believe and 
who not to - you have to be consistent and by following the standard you ensure 
consistency.  By allowing for unaccepted exceptions, it's unfair to other 
competitors who attempt to play by the rules.   If a missing tooth is important 
enough to be singled out in the breed standard without allowing for extenuating 
circumstances, then it's important enough for the judges to follow the standard 
and consider it a serious fault.  If judges pick and choose those parts of the 
standard they don't agree with then what good is having a standard.  GSD judges 
and exhibitors should go to the next board meeting, or write, and ask the PC to 
address the standard's wording.  In the meantime, judges shouldn't make up 
their own rules.  I might have missed one, but I found five problems listed as 
serious faults with the GSD breed standard, some leave wiggle room, some don't. 
 The wording for the missing teeth doesn't presently leave any wiggle room.
(1)  Any of the above deficiencies in character which indicate shyness must be 
penalized as very serious faults     ...   (2)  Any missing teeth other than 
first premolars is a serious fault.    ...   (3)  Tails too short, or with 
clumpy ends due to ankylosis, are serious faults.   ...   (4)  Pale, washed-out 
colors and blues or livers are serious faults.    ...   (5)  Faults of gait, 
whether from front, rear or side, are to be considered very serious faults.    
....   


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-- tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Well, I kind of disagree here.  As a judge I am looking for breeding stock.  
Problems that are not genetic should not be considered.  A genetically missing 
tooth should be taken into consideration IF it is anything other than the first 
premolar.  If a tooth is missing through an accident I would love to know that! 
 ASCA allows for the judge to be notified BY VETERINARY LETTER if an animal is 
missing teeth (tooth) due to injuries.  As someone who actively herds and had 
seen more than one dog loose multiple teeth from a well placed cow and horse 
hick, I know that working injuries happen.  Teeth get broken off in schutzhund 
too.  Personally I think a letter is a fine idea.  Ears can be bitten off by 
other dogs... an obvious accident... or they could be cropped off if they don't 
stand up!  Now I know we don't have hanging ears in the breed (ever wonder why 
its specified in our standard??) so noone would do that.  (lol) However, if I 
got a letter before judging telling me that the
  missing half an ear was due to an injury I'd definitely appreciate it!   
Its not whether you choose to ignore the standard or not.  Its about breed 
integrity and selecting the best breeding stock.  Thats genetics not injury - 
common sense.

Suzanne 
www.tsalishepherds.com 
Home of Ch Firedog, Ch Cookie, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy, and Ch Flash! 
Website updated 10/05



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