Because we would be promoting a fault. And please, I KNOW dogs w/ faults of gait are put up etc., but two wrongs don't make it right. AND....I don't for a minute buy the "we need them in a breeding program for correct coats". Having bred dogs that carry/produce coats you get all sorts of things, some progeny are "correct" some open w/ little undercoat, cowlicks...the whole spectrum. If someone wants to incorporate them in a breeding program, swell, and why would they be surprised that a structurally beautiful animal could produce beautifully? They don't need a class at the national to make that determination. So...do we dilute the value of the standard further so that everyone can play? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 6/19/2012 9:46:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: Personally I would like to have someone, anyone give me a single valid reason NOT to do this. What are you afraid of? In a time where clubs are struggling to make entries, the Nationals is lucky to be a 5 pt Major, we want to discourage participation..are you kidding? Please give me chapter and verse as to why we shouldn't ? Or is it that some don't want the "status quo" to change? Kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* *Updated: May 2012* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle * *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Ken Tank <tanksr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > As it stands now, most judges place too much negative emphasis on the long > coat. Having a separate class for them might just get judges to realize > it's only a fault (hey, they may even look it up and read the Standard!). I > think that is the point. > The point I am missing is "why not?". What could it possibly hurt to try > it? We just might get more people interested. If it isn't successful what > have we lost? > > Ken > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > OK. How will having a class allow them to win? Won't they have to compete > > with the class winners? If they could not beat the class winners in the > > class, why would they beat them in the winner's class. > > > > I think I must be missing a point, since people much smarter than me seem > > to have an answer I don't understand. > > > > Evan L. Ginsburg > > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================