Joyce writes: "Isn't the reason that that a long coat is a fault is because the coat picks up burrs etc working in the field as well as becoming waterlogged? The coat is not suitable for a dog working in the field, tall grass etc." I have owned a few long "stock" coated dogs (i.e. dogs with a coarse outer coat and an undercoat) and one dog with a long single coat (i.e. soft, open outer coat with no undercoat.) The long stock coated dogs never became waterlogged, nor did they have much of a problem with picking of burrs and whatnot in the field. If they did get a burr, it was pretty easy to remove. Not true with the long single coated dog; he picked up every burr and small twig within a 1/2 mile radius. Just kidding of course, but I swear the burrs saw him coming. Not to mention dust! His coat was a "magnet" for undesirable stuff. He also tended to have dry skin and dandruff, while our long stock coated dogs never had any skin problems. Also, I hated having to trim the hair between the toes of the long single coated dog. In the winter time, if I didn't do this, the dog would develop painful "ice balls" between his toes. I don't ever want to own a long single coated dog again, no matter how correct the dog might otherwise be. To me, this type of coat is more than a minor fault because of the problems the dog would have working in the field. I do consider the long stock coat a minor fault as a dog with this type coat shouldn't have a problem working in the field, just as the other longer coated herding dog breeds don't have a problem working. I would love to see more long stock coated dogs *of quality* in the ring. PaulETTE McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: <myjoygs@xxxxxxx> To: <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx>; <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:55 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: How does this help them win. Isn't the reason that that a long coat is a fault is because the coat picks up burrs etc working in the field as well as becoming waterlogged? The coat is not suitable for a dog working in the field, tall grass etc. there are also some who think a long oat is more faulty because it can become waterlogged...not good on a dog eant to work outdoors.............. MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: DOGSRLUV <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx>; spotted101 <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:50 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: How does this help them win. I think some judges do weigh faults...there are also some who think a long oat is more faulty because it can become waterlogged...not good on a dog eant to work outdoors.............. y'all go on with the argument......it's fun to read. Peggy ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. 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