So, Evan, am I to understand from your post that when the BOB and BOS is chosen and the judge decides to give the Gr Ch points to them (lets assume for argument sake that they are both champions); Are you saying that is the limit of Gr Ch points that the judge can award? I thought that it was allowable to award two other dogs Gr Ch points in addition to the BOB and BOS...I am automatically assuming that a judge who chooses the BOB and BOS is saying that they are the best in the class and therefore (again assuming that they are already chs) would also be given the Gr Ch points...that being the case; there would be no allowance to award Gr Ch points to any of the other champions in that class if one so desired??? Do I still not have it right? Pauline Moon - _www.ropajagsd.com_ (http://www.ropajagsd.com/) Ropaja German Shepherds:Member-GSDCAmercia & GSDCAtlanta - Best In Show AKC JAM/AOE/ BISS CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaujolais OFA HIC; BISS AKC CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaulieu OFA HIC; Our future: AKC BISS & GRP W CH. Ropaja's Je Suis Fleur De Lis; AKC PTD Ropaja's Je Suis Gabrielle. In a message dated 6/1/2010 10:56:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I talked to the AKC. They only allow two animals of each sex to get the Grand Champion points. I do think you should be able to give more, and last weekend in Ohio was a great example. Had I been able to, I would have gone much further. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================