In a message dated 12/12/04 4:39:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, In a message dated 12/12/2004 6:32:17 PM Central Standard Time, noelwebb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Ok... so what is the difference between this new tool and an old fashion undercoat rake? (besides $30 some dollars) My undercoat rake is 4" wide so I can get a large area done rather quickly. The Furminator is only 1.7" wide. How long does it take to groom a dog? (German Shepherd) I just have an inquiring mind this evening. ++++++++++++++++++ my furminator is 4 inches also. It is not a rake. it is 1/2 of a 40 blade for clipping. In a great easy on the hands holder. It strips out only the undercoat. What most people call carding a coat. Time wise depends on the condition of the coat and how far down you want to go. It is wonderful to get out the ugly gray undercoat that tuffs thru when they are blowing. Will be super when everyone starts to blow in the spring. My 3 house dogs have gone from lumpy sheep to looking great in just a couple of days. Since they are old I do not make them hold still for any length of time. Sally The House of Nasdaq ROM Ch's Seiko, Adam & Ex Sally and All: Just a thought!!!!!!!! Sally is a Professional Groomer and I worked at that trade myself for many years.. I just want to add , that any grooming Device or Tool, in the hands of a Pro trained to use them properly is one thing, but sometimes tools can do a lot of damage to the skin when not used properly and then that damage can escalate into infections... Please do not just get a new tool and start raking away at the dog..First carefully examine the skin to be sure the dog doesn't have irritated or inflamed areas,or even possible skin growths, and then .examine the teeth of the tool you are using to see if it is rounded or pointed or even sometimes , sharp.. I have seen lots of damage over the years, done to a dogs skin ,using a sharp type of grooming tool ,over the years, by eager owners, unfamiliar with grooming using such aids. .. Just a thought to keep in mind... JMO Barb williams ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================