[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding--KNOW YOUR PEDIGREES
- From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Kathaleen Strong" <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:30:54 -0600
To this I would like to add review Oppenheimer's dog breeding rules, which
parallels much of what Kathaleen has written. Over the year's the topic of
these "rules" have come up and Peggy M once tried to open a discussion on
one of the lists about these rules..but no one seemed interested. Too bad.
Everyone should have them posted where they can review them regularly. I
hope the below gets published..not that it will make a difference. I could
go on and on about the countless hours,I like many others have spent
writing e-mails, discussing pedigrees, making breeding suggestions(in my
case, not to my own dogs), I have even tried to recommend breeding
suggestions for novices with bitches they have purchased from me..and they
still don't listen!! I have trying to relegate the "art" of dog breeding
into a paint by numbers format, doesn't work. Bottom line, you either have
the knack for it, or you don't. Newbies are like children..children come to
parents for advice and more often than not don't take it, like parents,
mentors in the breed try to give advise based on their past experiences,
good or bad and newbie like children, have to do it their way. Which is
fine, but newbies should not complain that there are no mentors..honestly
most have tried and have been unsuccessful, so you just tell folks to do
what they want to do as they are going to do that anyway! I think my
biggest pet peeve is when a newbie buys a bitch from your breeding program
and listens to every Tom Dick and Harry( many who happen to own stud dogs)
on how to breed the bitch except you, the breeder, whom they got the bitch
from! Christine
hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Steve and Christine Grainger
WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM
> [Original Message]
> From: Kathaleen Strong <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 11/21/2008 1:21:44 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding--KNOW YOUR PEDIGREES
>
> It's always a good place to start with your bitch. You have to be
brutally
> honest in evaluating your bitch -- take your feelings out of the equation,
> take her show record out of the equation - review her hip/elbow & health
> information and then look at the bitch as an individual with nothing other
> than her temperament, motion, structure, and overall breed type - compare
it
> to what the standard says is correct, even if you don't like it.
>
> 1) What qualities/faults does she bring to the equation?
> 2) What would you like to change/correct in your bitch in the resulting
> puppies?
> 3) If she has been bred before, what did you try to correct and what were
> the results? Where you happy with the overall resulting quality of the
> litter? If you haven't bred her before, what are her parents/grandparents
> known to produce both good and bad? If known, what were your bitch's
> littermates like? (this is important) What are the health and longevity
> strength/weaknesses behind her?
> 4) After you have evaluated all these items when it comes to her, as an
> individual, now look at her pedigree -- what strengths and weaknesses can
> you determine from it? What incidence of missing teeth, bad bites, down
> ears, long coats, monorchids, hearts, hips/elbows, bloat, and torsion are
> there in the immediate 3 generations? Is she linebred? How heavily
> (sometimes you have to go back past 4 generations, ie a dog who's linebred
> on Dog A (5,4,6,5,6,5 - 5,5,4,5,6,5) could be still considered heavily
> linebred)? Is there a portion of her pedigree that you prefer the dogs
in?
> With your brutally honest evaluation of her as an individual, knowing her
> strengths, weaknesses and areas you'd like to hopefully improve on in the
> resulting puppies -- look at the pedigree and see if she is typical of one
> side of the pedigree or the other?
>
> Now looking at the results of those questions -- this should give you a
> direction as to where to start looking. If you have the ideas of what
> you
> want to change in your bitch, start looking first at dogs who 1)
Compensate
> toward correct in these items and remember they may or may not themselves
be
> entirely correct themselves, but tend to produce it; 2) After you've
> narrowed it down to a few dogs who look like they fit the bill, answer
> questions 1-4 for the dog also; Be especially cognizant of the pedigree
and
> puppies produced so far. Don't consider your feelings in relation to the
> dog. Don't consider titles the dog has achieved, these are fluff used to
> sell resulting puppies, not produce a quality litter. The only things
other
> than how the dog himself can help you compensate for your bitch to
consider
> are his hip/elbow/health information, how the pedigree looks in comparison
> to your bitch, what the dog has produced that you like. When looking at
his
> puppies, you should try to determine what the bitches he was bred to
brought
> to the table and what their pedigrees are as well.
>
> Talk to the stud dog owners about their dog, and talk to other people
who've
> bred their bitches to the dog. Another thing that should be considered in
> the "compensation" theory, sometimes breeding a correct bitch to an
extreme
> (in some cases not correct) dog is beneficial to bring back angulation,
and
> vice versa. Also it is important to note there is a theory, that if left
to
> Nature's devices, dogs would revert to look more like wild canines -- tall
> on leg, straight in angulation -- that as breeders we have to utilize some
> extremes to keep that type which is recessive in nature.
>
> I agree with Jamie though -- once you've done all this evaluation,
> discussion and research, don't over think it. If you listen to your gut
> instinct/intuition you should make a sound choice. However, if it doesn't
> work out, don't beat yourself up; breeding dogs is the biggest gambling
game
> anyone has ever been involved in. Imagine the numbers of dice you're
> rolling at once, and then remember no matter how much you plan, no matter
> how good it looks on paper, no matter how "it should have worked" ==
> sometimes it just doesn't. Try again. If you have some luck going your
way,
> your research will pay off with a litter of healthy, quality pups with
maybe
> a few "stars" in it.
>
> Kathaleen
>
>
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