[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
- From: "MelanaGSD" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:15:39 -0500
I "routinely" put my bitches on Baytril for the season I plan to breed them
but I don't see how a maximum of once per year or so of treating with
Baytril is routine enough to throw their system out of wack. It's going to
wipe out the natural flora whether there's something of concern in a culture
or not.
JMO!
Melissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "solanagsd" <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>; <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:20 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
> Carolyn...we have to remember that as this may be OLD HAT to some of us,
> there are new people on this list that perhaps really don't know or
> understand
> what this is...Until I got hit with it I had NO IDEA what it was or what
the
> ramnifications were...and my vet does not believe in treating an animal
with
> any
> antibiotics unless they NEED it...Continue using any drug routinely and
then
> ask
> "just what does this due to the natural flora that IS necessary?"
> Personally I would rather talk about what is important to our dogs than
some
> of the subjects that are discussed on here!
> Deborah Gebhard
> Solana Shepherds,MI
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
> To: <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>; <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>;
> <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
>
>
> > Thanks to Dr. Chuck Kruger for his explanation of the problems with
> mycoplasma.
> > This subject comes up all the time and it never ceases to amaze me that
> there is
> > still any question as to whether to test or not. I am further amazed
> that ' Dr.
> > Hutch '
> > thinks it's a non problem??? YES.....maiden bitches and unused studs
> can have it!!!
> > Our Vet will not allow a breeding over a 2+. Same with the strep
> growths....
> > If you get MP results quickly in the test....you've got a HEAVY growth.
> > Our Vet is the repro Vet in our area, and just dealt with a Chesapeake
Bay
> Breeder
> > that had not had normal litters for 2 yrs. He tested several of her
> main animals
> > and they ALL had mycoplasma. Treated entire kennel and she is having
> normal
> > litters again. He's been to Dr. Hutchinson's seminars and does not
> agree on this
> > due to his own experiences with Breeders.
> > WHY would anyone breed to a stud that does NOT require mycoplasma test
on
> > their bitch??? To save $100.00?? Then how do you know what he was
bred
> to
> > two weeks before yours??? Studs can't be checked on every breeding
and
> THIS
> > is how they should be maintained in between.......by clearing the
bitches.
> > I.C.S.B. people in our area won't even deal with a dog with mycoplasma
for
> > an A.I. or implant. Another thing, people that think they don't need
> to test
> > the bitch if they are having an A.I. or an Implant........all that money
> and trouble
> > and then can't figure out why the bitch
> missed....................JEEEEEZ!!!
> > Talk about throwing money "down the tubes".......<G>
> > I can't figure out why this is even open for discussion....or are we on
> 'the
> > Schedule'.<G>
> >
> > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
> > www.marhaven.com
> >
> > > and if the MYCOPLASMA is NOT gone the bitch can sexually transmit it
to
> the
> > > stud dog where he in turn becomes infected and infects other
bitches...
> > > Deborah Gebhard> Solana Shepherds,MI
> > *******************************
> > > >
> > >> with all the information given regarding Mycoplasma, it just makes
> sense
> > > to>> treat the bitches about 4 weeks prior to her season if she is
going
> to be
> > >> bred..>> Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
> > >> http://www.shadowacre.com/future.htm Updated Dec.19./04!!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>>> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:47 PM
> > >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question on mycoplasma testing
> > >I have done extensive Mycoplasma testing. It is a deep vaginal swab
> > > one> uses, NOT a uterine swab. The fact is that even when the bitch is
> > in> full>> estrus,> ready to breed, the cervical opening is only
slightly
> > bigger then the> lead in a pencil...so, you are not going to be able
> > to get in to the uterus with> a> swab. I culture the specimen for 3
weeks
> > with a reading after one week, two> weeks and at the end of three weeks.
> > If the culture comes up with a>> "moderate"
> > >> > amount on the first week, I start medicating with Baytrill
> immediately.
> > >> This>> > early moderate number will most likely increase to a heavy
> growth in the
> > >> culture>> > by the end of three weeks.
> > >> > For male dogs, I ejaculate the dog into a sterile tube the same
as
> > >> > collecting semen for an AI...By getting the sperm cells, you get a
> > > culture> from>> within the testicle itself.>
> > >There has been some comtroversity about the real danger of Mycoplasma
> > >> in the vagina....Let me tell you my story..>> >
> > >> > I was getting litters of 0 to 5 puppies..Some were born early and
> dead,
> > >> some>> > born very tiny, weak and died, some were born alive and
lived
> > up to a>> > week...All sorts of different early puppy deaths....So, I
> finally
> > >> figured there>> > must be some kind of contagious agent afoot.
> > >> >
> > >> > I cultured for Mycoplasma,and found some bitches to be positive. I
> then
> > >> > treated all dogs in my kennel, 40plus. After the treatment and spot
> > >> reculturing to be sure the Mycoplasma was gone, a wonderful change
> > occurred...The> litters>> > went back to normal numbers and the pups
> lived...
> > In fact the first> litter>> after>> > treating the dogs, was 14 in
> number!!!!!!
> > This is in my opinion enough>> proof>> > that Mycoplasma can be a
problem,
> > and is the first thing I advise> checking>> if a>> > bitch whelps weak
> pups or
> > does not conceive...
> > >> >
> >
> >
>
>
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