[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
- From: "Iza Kabuska" <iza10@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "MelanaGSD" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:07:12 -0500
I thought the human equivalent was Cipro - ciprofloxacin - same thing as =
enrofloxin ??
Iza Kabuska
http://www.karizmashepherds.com
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From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "MelanaGSD" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
> Let me give you an example of Baytril's potency...Long time ago..I =
took
> Bull(he was about 2 or so) to St. Louis to be collected by a =
"reproductive"
> vet for an AI to an outside bitch...after the collection..a few white
> blood cells appeared in the culture...mind you..he did not clean =
Bull's
> sheath off with saline before the collection..so the semen passed over
> contaminates...the culture was also tested for mycoplasma..it was
> negative..but a "pseudomona" appeared in the culture(which is sort of =
a
> cousin to mycoplasma, but there are about a thousand differnt =
ones..most
> harmless..Aregenosa is the bad one)...I came home from work to a =
message on
> my answering machine that said I needed to put Bull on Bayril for 3 =
weeks
> to get rid of the bacteria...fortunately I had enough knowledge about =
this
> type of thing..that I called the vet..spoke with his receptionist..and
> asked her to give me the exact reading on the culture. I called my
> vet..only to find out that the "pseudomona" the so-called reproductive =
vet
> had wanted me to treat was found in pond water and was in fact not =
harmful!
> Three weeks of Atrial would have probably rendered Bull sterile!...At =
work
> we call Baytril( the human equivalent..enrofloxin) a "deep shit"
> antibiotic...used when you have a real problem..I never give it to =
anything
> unless absolutely necessary and never prophylactically.C.Grainger
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: MelanaGSD <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 12/27/2004 4:16:55 AM
>> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
>>
>> I "routinely" put my bitches on Baytril for the season I plan to =
breed
> them
>> but I don't see how a maximum of once per year or so of treating with
>> Baytril is routine enough to throw their system out of wack. It's =
going
> to
>> wipe out the natural flora whether there's something of concern in a
> culture
>> or not.
>>
>> JMO!
>> Melissa
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "solanagsd" <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>;
> <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>;
>> <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:20 AM
>> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
>>
>>
>> > Carolyn...we have to remember that as this may be OLD HAT to some =
of us,
>> > there are new people on this list that perhaps really don't know or
>> > understand
>> > what this is...Until I got hit with it I had NO IDEA what it was or =
what
>> the
>> > ramnifications were...and my vet does not believe in treating an =
animal
>> with
>> > any
>> > antibiotics unless they NEED it...Continue using any drug routinely =
and
>> then
>> > ask
>> > "just what does this due to the natural flora that IS necessary?"
>> > Personally I would rather talk about what is important to our dogs =
than
>> some
>> > of the subjects that are discussed on here!
>> > Deborah Gebhard
>> > Solana Shepherds,MI
>> > ----- Original Message -----=20
>> > From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
>> > To: <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>; =
<Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>;
>> > <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:17 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
>> >
>> >
>> > > Thanks to Dr. Chuck Kruger for his explanation of the problems =
with
>> > mycoplasma.
>> > > This subject comes up all the time and it never ceases to amaze =
me
> that
>> > there is
>> > > still any question as to whether to test or not. I am further =
amazed
>> > that ' Dr.
>> > > Hutch '
>> > > thinks it's a non problem??? YES.....maiden bitches and unused
> studs
>> > can have it!!!
>> > > Our Vet will not allow a breeding over a 2+. Same with the =
strep
>> > growths....
>> > > If you get MP results quickly in the test....you've got a HEAVY
> growth.
>> > > Our Vet is the repro Vet in our area, and just dealt with a =
Chesapeake
>> Bay
>> > Breeder
>> > > that had not had normal litters for 2 yrs. He tested several =
of her
>> > main animals
>> > > and they ALL had mycoplasma. Treated entire kennel and she is =
having
>> > normal
>> > > litters again. He's been to Dr. Hutchinson's seminars and does =
not
>> > agree on this
>> > > due to his own experiences with Breeders.
>> > > WHY would anyone breed to a stud that does NOT require mycoplasma =
test
>> on
>> > > their bitch??? To save $100.00?? Then how do you know what he =
was
>> bred
>> > to
>> > > two weeks before yours??? Studs can't be checked on every =
breeding
>> and
>> > THIS
>> > > is how they should be maintained in between.......by clearing the
>> bitches.
>> > > I.C.S.B. people in our area won't even deal with a dog with =
mycoplasma
>> for
>> > > an A.I. or implant. Another thing, people that think they =
don't
> need
>> > to test
>> > > the bitch if they are having an A.I. or an Implant........all =
that
> money
>> > and trouble
>> > > and then can't figure out why the bitch
>> > missed....................JEEEEEZ!!!
>> > > Talk about throwing money "down the tubes".......<G>
>> > > I can't figure out why this is even open for discussion....or are =
we
> on
>> > 'the
>> > > Schedule'.<G>
>> > >
>> > > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
>> > > www.marhaven.com
>> > >
>> > > > and if the MYCOPLASMA is NOT gone the bitch can sexually =
transmit it
>> to
>> > the
>> > > > stud dog where he in turn becomes infected and infects other
>> bitches...
>> > > > Deborah Gebhard> Solana Shepherds,MI
>> > > *******************************
>> > > > >
>> > > >> with all the information given regarding Mycoplasma, it just =
makes
>> > sense
>> > > > to>> treat the bitches about 4 weeks prior to her season if she =
is
>> going
>> > to be
>> > > >> bred..>> Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
>> > > >> http://www.shadowacre.com/future.htm Updated Dec.19./04!!!
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> > > >> From: <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>>> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:47 PM
>> > > >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question on mycoplasma testing
>> > > >I have done extensive Mycoplasma testing. It is a deep vaginal =
swab
>> > > > one> uses, NOT a uterine swab. The fact is that even when the =
bitch
> is
>> > > in> full>> estrus,> ready to breed, the cervical opening is only
>> slightly
>> > > bigger then the> lead in a pencil...so, you are not going to be =
able
>> > > to get in to the uterus with> a> swab. I culture the specimen for =
3
>> weeks
>> > > with a reading after one week, two> weeks and at the end of three
> weeks.
>> > > If the culture comes up with a>> "moderate"
>> > > >> > amount on the first week, I start medicating with Baytrill
>> > immediately.
>> > > >> This>> > early moderate number will most likely increase to a =
heavy
>> > growth in the
>> > > >> culture>> > by the end of three weeks.
>> > > >> > For male dogs, I ejaculate the dog into a sterile tube =
the
> same
>> as
>> > > >> > collecting semen for an AI...By getting the sperm cells, you =
get
> a
>> > > > culture> from>> within the testicle itself.>
>> > > >There has been some comtroversity about the real danger of =
Mycoplasma
>> > > >> in the vagina....Let me tell you my story..>> >
>> > > >> > I was getting litters of 0 to 5 puppies..Some were born =
early
> and
>> > dead,
>> > > >> some>> > born very tiny, weak and died, some were born alive =
and
>> lived
>> > > up to a>> > week...All sorts of different early puppy
> deaths....So, I
>> > finally
>> > > >> figured there>> > must be some kind of contagious agent afoot.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I cultured for Mycoplasma,and found some bitches to be =
positive.
> I
>> > then
>> > > >> > treated all dogs in my kennel, 40plus. After the treatment =
and
> spot
>> > > >> reculturing to be sure the Mycoplasma was gone, a wonderful =
change
>> > > occurred...The> litters>> > went back to normal numbers and the =
pups
>> > lived...
>> > > In fact the first> litter>> after>> > treating the dogs, was 14 =
in
>> > number!!!!!!
>> > > This is in my opinion enough>> proof>> > that Mycoplasma can be a
>> problem,
>> > > and is the first thing I advise> checking>> if a>> > bitch =
whelps
> weak
>> > pups or
>> > > does not conceive...
>> > > >> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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