[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
- From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Iza Kabuska" <iza10@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "MelanaGSD" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:16:17 -0600
I could be wrong...when I asked at work...my guys weren't sure..so called a
pharmacist..as I wanted to see what it said in the PDR about it...he told
me enrofloxin...I have heard of cipro..my PDR at home isn't current..and I
don't have a bottle of Baytril here to see what it says..let me know what
you find out...C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: Iza Kabuska <iza10@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; MelanaGSD <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/27/2004 11:07:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
>
> I thought the human equivalent was Cipro - ciprofloxacin - same thing as
enrofloxin ??
>
> Iza Kabuska
> http://www.karizmashepherds.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "MelanaGSD" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:06 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
>
>
> > Let me give you an example of Baytril's potency...Long time ago..I took
> > Bull(he was about 2 or so) to St. Louis to be collected by a
"reproductive"
> > vet for an AI to an outside bitch...after the collection..a few white
> > blood cells appeared in the culture...mind you..he did not clean Bull's
> > sheath off with saline before the collection..so the semen passed over
> > contaminates...the culture was also tested for mycoplasma..it was
> > negative..but a "pseudomona" appeared in the culture(which is sort of a
> > cousin to mycoplasma, but there are about a thousand differnt ones..most
> > harmless..Aregenosa is the bad one)...I came home from work to a
message on
> > my answering machine that said I needed to put Bull on Bayril for 3
weeks
> > to get rid of the bacteria...fortunately I had enough knowledge about
this
> > type of thing..that I called the vet..spoke with his receptionist..and
> > asked her to give me the exact reading on the culture. I called my
> > vet..only to find out that the "pseudomona" the so-called reproductive
vet
> > had wanted me to treat was found in pond water and was in fact not
harmful!
> > Three weeks of Atrial would have probably rendered Bull sterile!...At
work
> > we call Baytril( the human equivalent..enrofloxin) a "deep shit"
> > antibiotic...used when you have a real problem..I never give it to
anything
> > unless absolutely necessary and never prophylactically.C.Grainger
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: MelanaGSD <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: 12/27/2004 4:16:55 AM
> >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
> >>
> >> I "routinely" put my bitches on Baytril for the season I plan to breed
> > them
> >> but I don't see how a maximum of once per year or so of treating with
> >> Baytril is routine enough to throw their system out of wack. It's
going
> > to
> >> wipe out the natural flora whether there's something of concern in a
> > culture
> >> or not.
> >>
> >> JMO!
> >> Melissa
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "solanagsd" <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>;
> > <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>;
> >> <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:20 AM
> >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
> >>
> >>
> >> > Carolyn...we have to remember that as this may be OLD HAT to some of
us,
> >> > there are new people on this list that perhaps really don't know or
> >> > understand
> >> > what this is...Until I got hit with it I had NO IDEA what it was or
what
> >> the
> >> > ramnifications were...and my vet does not believe in treating an
animal
> >> with
> >> > any
> >> > antibiotics unless they NEED it...Continue using any drug routinely
and
> >> then
> >> > ask
> >> > "just what does this due to the natural flora that IS necessary?"
> >> > Personally I would rather talk about what is important to our dogs
than
> >> some
> >> > of the subjects that are discussed on here!
> >> > Deborah Gebhard
> >> > Solana Shepherds,MI
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>;
<Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>;
> >> > <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:17 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks to Dr. Chuck Kruger for his explanation of the problems with
> >> > mycoplasma.
> >> > > This subject comes up all the time and it never ceases to amaze me
> > that
> >> > there is
> >> > > still any question as to whether to test or not. I am further
amazed
> >> > that ' Dr.
> >> > > Hutch '
> >> > > thinks it's a non problem??? YES.....maiden bitches and unused
> > studs
> >> > can have it!!!
> >> > > Our Vet will not allow a breeding over a 2+. Same with the strep
> >> > growths....
> >> > > If you get MP results quickly in the test....you've got a HEAVY
> > growth.
> >> > > Our Vet is the repro Vet in our area, and just dealt with a
Chesapeake
> >> Bay
> >> > Breeder
> >> > > that had not had normal litters for 2 yrs. He tested several of
her
> >> > main animals
> >> > > and they ALL had mycoplasma. Treated entire kennel and she is
having
> >> > normal
> >> > > litters again. He's been to Dr. Hutchinson's seminars and does
not
> >> > agree on this
> >> > > due to his own experiences with Breeders.
> >> > > WHY would anyone breed to a stud that does NOT require mycoplasma
test
> >> on
> >> > > their bitch??? To save $100.00?? Then how do you know what he
was
> >> bred
> >> > to
> >> > > two weeks before yours??? Studs can't be checked on every
breeding
> >> and
> >> > THIS
> >> > > is how they should be maintained in between.......by clearing the
> >> bitches.
> >> > > I.C.S.B. people in our area won't even deal with a dog with
mycoplasma
> >> for
> >> > > an A.I. or implant. Another thing, people that think they don't
> > need
> >> > to test
> >> > > the bitch if they are having an A.I. or an Implant........all that
> > money
> >> > and trouble
> >> > > and then can't figure out why the bitch
> >> > missed....................JEEEEEZ!!!
> >> > > Talk about throwing money "down the tubes".......<G>
> >> > > I can't figure out why this is even open for discussion....or are
we
> > on
> >> > 'the
> >> > > Schedule'.<G>
> >> > >
> >> > > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
> >> > > www.marhaven.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > and if the MYCOPLASMA is NOT gone the bitch can sexually
transmit it
> >> to
> >> > the
> >> > > > stud dog where he in turn becomes infected and infects other
> >> bitches...
> >> > > > Deborah Gebhard> Solana Shepherds,MI
> >> > > *******************************
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >> with all the information given regarding Mycoplasma, it just
makes
> >> > sense
> >> > > > to>> treat the bitches about 4 weeks prior to her season if she
is
> >> going
> >> > to be
> >> > > >> bred..>> Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
> >> > > >> http://www.shadowacre.com/future.htm Updated Dec.19./04!!!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> From: <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>>> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:47 PM
> >> > > >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question on mycoplasma testing
> >> > > >I have done extensive Mycoplasma testing. It is a deep vaginal
swab
> >> > > > one> uses, NOT a uterine swab. The fact is that even when the
bitch
> > is
> >> > > in> full>> estrus,> ready to breed, the cervical opening is only
> >> slightly
> >> > > bigger then the> lead in a pencil...so, you are not going to be
able
> >> > > to get in to the uterus with> a> swab. I culture the specimen for 3
> >> weeks
> >> > > with a reading after one week, two> weeks and at the end of three
> > weeks.
> >> > > If the culture comes up with a>> "moderate"
> >> > > >> > amount on the first week, I start medicating with Baytrill
> >> > immediately.
> >> > > >> This>> > early moderate number will most likely increase to a
heavy
> >> > growth in the
> >> > > >> culture>> > by the end of three weeks.
> >> > > >> > For male dogs, I ejaculate the dog into a sterile tube the
> > same
> >> as
> >> > > >> > collecting semen for an AI...By getting the sperm cells, you
get
> > a
> >> > > > culture> from>> within the testicle itself.>
> >> > > >There has been some comtroversity about the real danger of
Mycoplasma
> >> > > >> in the vagina....Let me tell you my story..>> >
> >> > > >> > I was getting litters of 0 to 5 puppies..Some were born early
> > and
> >> > dead,
> >> > > >> some>> > born very tiny, weak and died, some were born alive and
> >> lived
> >> > > up to a>> > week...All sorts of different early puppy
> > deaths....So, I
> >> > finally
> >> > > >> figured there>> > must be some kind of contagious agent afoot.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I cultured for Mycoplasma,and found some bitches to be
positive.
> > I
> >> > then
> >> > > >> > treated all dogs in my kennel, 40plus. After the treatment and
> > spot
> >> > > >> reculturing to be sure the Mycoplasma was gone, a wonderful
change
> >> > > occurred...The> litters>> > went back to normal numbers and the
pups
> >> > lived...
> >> > > In fact the first> litter>> after>> > treating the dogs, was 14 in
> >> > number!!!!!!
> >> > > This is in my opinion enough>> proof>> > that Mycoplasma can be a
> >> problem,
> >> > > and is the first thing I advise> checking>> if a>> > bitch whelps
> > weak
> >> > pups or
> >> > > does not conceive...
> >> > > >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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