there are stud dog owners out there that DO NOT feel it is necessary to test for Mycoplasma..just put the bitches on Baytril until they are out of heat...Well IMO there IS something wrong with that..if a bitch is infected even on Baytril she pass it to the stud dog( Dr.Kruger correct me if I am wrong here) and that begins a cycle of a stud dog passing it to the bitches after that one before he goes sterile. Deborah Gebhard Solana Shepherds,MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx> To: <solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>; <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: ANSWERS on mycoplasma testing > Thanks to Dr. Chuck Kruger for his explanation of the problems with mycoplasma. > This subject comes up all the time and it never ceases to amaze me that there is > still any question as to whether to test or not. I am further amazed that ' Dr. > Hutch ' > thinks it's a non problem??? YES.....maiden bitches and unused studs can have it!!! > Our Vet will not allow a breeding over a 2+. Same with the strep growths.... > If you get MP results quickly in the test....you've got a HEAVY growth. > Our Vet is the repro Vet in our area, and just dealt with a Chesapeake Bay Breeder > that had not had normal litters for 2 yrs. He tested several of her main animals > and they ALL had mycoplasma. Treated entire kennel and she is having normal > litters again. He's been to Dr. Hutchinson's seminars and does not agree on this > due to his own experiences with Breeders. > WHY would anyone breed to a stud that does NOT require mycoplasma test on > their bitch??? To save $100.00?? Then how do you know what he was bred to > two weeks before yours??? Studs can't be checked on every breeding and THIS > is how they should be maintained in between.......by clearing the bitches. > I.C.S.B. people in our area won't even deal with a dog with mycoplasma for > an A.I. or implant. Another thing, people that think they don't need to test > the bitch if they are having an A.I. or an Implant........all that money and trouble > and then can't figure out why the bitch missed....................JEEEEEZ!!! > Talk about throwing money "down the tubes".......<G> > I can't figure out why this is even open for discussion....or are we on 'the > Schedule'.<G> > > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx > www.marhaven.com > > > and if the MYCOPLASMA is NOT gone the bitch can sexually transmit it to the > > stud dog where he in turn becomes infected and infects other bitches... > > Deborah Gebhard> Solana Shepherds,MI > ******************************* > > > > >> with all the information given regarding Mycoplasma, it just makes sense > > to>> treat the bitches about 4 weeks prior to her season if she is going to be > >> bred..>> Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds > >> http://www.shadowacre.com/future.htm Updated Dec.19./04!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>>> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:47 PM > >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question on mycoplasma testing > >I have done extensive Mycoplasma testing. It is a deep vaginal swab > > one> uses, NOT a uterine swab. The fact is that even when the bitch is > in> full>> estrus,> ready to breed, the cervical opening is only slightly > bigger then the> lead in a pencil...so, you are not going to be able > to get in to the uterus with> a> swab. I culture the specimen for 3 weeks > with a reading after one week, two> weeks and at the end of three weeks. > If the culture comes up with a>> "moderate" > >> > amount on the first week, I start medicating with Baytrill immediately. > >> This>> > early moderate number will most likely increase to a heavy growth in the > >> culture>> > by the end of three weeks. > >> > For male dogs, I ejaculate the dog into a sterile tube the same as > >> > collecting semen for an AI...By getting the sperm cells, you get a > > culture> from>> within the testicle itself.> > >There has been some comtroversity about the real danger of Mycoplasma > >> in the vagina....Let me tell you my story..>> > > >> > I was getting litters of 0 to 5 puppies..Some were born early and dead, > >> some>> > born very tiny, weak and died, some were born alive and lived > up to a>> > week...All sorts of different early puppy deaths....So, I finally > >> figured there>> > must be some kind of contagious agent afoot. > >> > > >> > I cultured for Mycoplasma,and found some bitches to be positive. I then > >> > treated all dogs in my kennel, 40plus. After the treatment and spot > >> reculturing to be sure the Mycoplasma was gone, a wonderful change > occurred...The> litters>> > went back to normal numbers and the pups lived... > In fact the first> litter>> after>> > treating the dogs, was 14 in number!!!!!! > This is in my opinion enough>> proof>> > that Mycoplasma can be a problem, > and is the first thing I advise> checking>> if a>> > bitch whelps weak pups or > does not conceive... > >> > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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