In a message dated 9/6/2005 3:37:54 PM Central Daylight Time, GrnRam415@xxxxxxx writes: Plus it is a good way to get to know the judges and what they put up. It shouldn't be a gripe session. Just observations and experiences from others that will be provided upon request. I can only see that as a positive. I'm sorry but I dont agree on this...A judge can only judge what is in the ring on "THAT DAY" I have seen Gary give points to dogs he normally would not...but on "THAT DAY" that was the best in his opinion. Hes also told me...for people to quit judging from the outside of the ring...because when your in the middle of the ring you see things others cant. Patty Szymczak ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================