Peggy, Where are those lists at, if I may ask? My opinion on this is basically, if you tell one person, it is no longer secret. That will lead to it no longer being private. Do you only share the list with the clubs Show Chairman or Show Secretary? If a club has a not so good experience with a Judge and write a not so good evaluation, how difficult will that make it to find a Judge the next year? If you say something bad about Evan (who could do that?), will that make Paul want to jump up and down when asked to Judge your specialty? I would think twice, but then I am not a Judge. Mike Gray -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:17 PM To: almanya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx; GrnRam415@xxxxxxx; plushpuppyohio@xxxxxxxxx; Stormy435@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: A list of Judges? Some of you may know there are several "lists" out there in cyberdom that exist mainly to discuss judges--not just what the judge seems to like, but his or her manner with the dogs, judging procedure or lack thereof, etc. The best of these lists also discusses show sites, various club conditions (like the way exhibitors are treated), and many things that have to do with showing dogs but not necessarily the judges. Of course, all these are all-breed lists, altho they do seem to go in spates...sometimes only judges for one breed are discussed ad nauseum until the topic changes..... It is interesting to see how silly some of the comments are. Yes, the winners almost always think the judge walks on water, and the people who didn't win think the judge is an ignorant SOB...........every now and then, and those times are rare, there is a valid and valuable comment on a particular judge. What's really wild is that some of these comments come from people who don't even name the right judge - I've read about my own judging in Canada (never judged there, not to this very day) and about someone else I know who was vilified for the bad job she did in Washington State on the same day she was busy owner handling dogs at shows in New Jersey! Can't believe all you read, you know, and only half of what you see. By and large, if you are looking for information on a specific judge, you can't believe what you get on these lists. Best you go and see for yourself. At least ask someone you know well who also knows your dog and the dogs they're going to talk about! Peggy > > ======================================================================== ==== POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ======================================================================== ==== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================