I'm glad to see the interest in this, both pro and con (and yes, a good amount of people find a good reason for this, specifically for GSDs. Started the VERY PRIVATE group of people interested in this already, and will devise a good and objective way to list good traits and objectionable traits of the judges that have already been reported. Objections are valid, and yes, I know there are AB lists out there that do this.But none just for GSDs. I think taking the objections (VERY VALID) and being aware of them is the key to being neutral and discerning. Right now, I see the organization as more what kind of dog to show under a certain judge, not a slamming of the judge at all. A person who puts up a dog with a missing premolar may be listed as a person that puts up the best dog DESPITE a missing premolar (if the informing participant even found out about that LOL). Not a fault judge. An AB judge that puts that same dog at the end of the line (that very nice dog) BECAUSE of the missing pre-molar would soon be seen as a fault judge by a couple more shows. And despite being a fault judge, there would be SOMETHING positive listed about what kind of dogs she/he seems to like. I would be more concerned talking about judges who don't discriminate against Black Dogs/Sables/owner-handlers/ etc., etc. This "list" would be very private and the participants would contact me and if the judge that they are asking about is there, they will be warned that this is only one (or 5 or whatever) person's judgement, and we would be eager to hear their critique. I can't imagine a judge without ANY redeeming qualities (Well, maybe they ones that are scared to death of GSDs, like I ran into once in a BBE Group judging LOL....with DREAMER yet!!!), but for people who are not in the loop of the knowledgeable, and really can't figure out what kind of judge they should show their dog under, I think this could be a valuable PRIVATE group of people to exchange viewpoints. Thank you all for giving me insight into possible future difficulties. I will remember them and if this turns out to be relatively sucessful, I WILL report back. *^*\/\/\/\/*^**^*\/\/\/\/*^**^*\/\/\/\/*^* Dog's love is different, it requires no return www.FairhopeGSD.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================