The no launching when there are aircraft at high altitudes only applies to
wavered rockets (>1500g GLOM, >125g propellant). Model rockets can be launched
under commercial aircraft at altitude.
Allen
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On May 27, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Richard Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It’s cool David, I understand. Also, I would like to clarify something on
this topic this time. The app that Andrew suggested is cool. After seeing
the app, I’m actually more interested in the possible weather information
offered.
However, no app presently takes the place of everybody watching for aircraft
entering the area during a launch, and speaking up to let the LCO know that
they hear or see an aircraft.
If an aircraft shows it’s at 20K’ or whatever on an app, it makes no
difference to the rule we don’t launch if there’s aircraft in the area. It’s
bad to say “it’s so high it will not be a problem.” It doesn’t matter how
high you think an aircraft is.
Same with launching rockets into clouds. It’s not allowed.
I did get an idea for something and will bring it to ROCstock. Just audio
equipment. Again, I was more interested in the technology for FAR.
Richard Dierking
TRA #11366, L2
On May 27, 2018, at 2:27 PM, David Smith <davew6dps@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:davew6dps@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Richard,
The last time you brought this up, a couple of years ago, I monitored ADS-M
for two launches. It provided NO USEFUL INFORMATION WHATSOEVER!
In addition, it requires a designated person who understands the system to
monitor during launch activities.
If you are volunteering to set it up and monitor it, you should do so.
The same with a baby monitor, or whatever.
If you are not volunteering, the board should file this under unsolicited
ideas with no allocated resources, and then forget about it.
Dave Smith
On Sun, May 27, 2018, 1:40 PM Richard Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I was at a ROC launch at the end of last year, perhaps it was ROCtober?
Anyway, someone at LCO asked what the altitude of a commercial aircraft
going over and someone called back the altitude. So, just wondering what
they were using. For the military aircraft part of the question, I asked
this because of FAR launches. If it’s something that I could use before
launching any rocket I had, I would. Even if it increases safety a little
bit, I would consider it worthwhile. There are times when there’s no
contrail and not much sound either.
The fact is, there have been times when aircraft pass over the range and no
one says anything until we see it as it is going away. Even at launches
with many people that may see incoming air traffic.
I’m not even close to suggesting anything that would interfere with
aircraft. Hum, actually, the opposite. :-)
And, I’ve been advocating a two-way communication between the far pads and
LCO for years now. Hey, it beats the LCO trying to get the attention of
people at the far pads using the PA and then trying to understand their hand
signals. And, I’ve checked, because I was curious if a simple baby monitor
could pick up and amplify aerial sound better than without any aid, and it
does.
So, both practical and maybe just a little curious too.
Richard
On May 27, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Wimmer <xenonrocket@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:xenonrocket@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Generally aircraft will have to be equipped with an ADS-B transmitter
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_dependent_surveillance_–_broadcast
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_dependent_surveillance_%E2%80%93_broadcast>
to show up in an app such as flightradar24
Small non commercial or military aircraft will generally not be equipped.
Rockets, on occasion, are
-Andrew
Sent from my iPhone XcB
On May 27, 2018 1:15 PM, "Richard Dierking" <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I heard several people mention an app that shows aircraft in the area
during a launch. I’m curious about the current state of his kind of
technology. Do small non-commercial aircraft and perhaps military aircraft
have transmitters can be seen on these apps?
What are people using now for this?
Also, I noticed that you can be at the far pads and hear aircraft in the
vicinity that are not heard at the LCO. There are monitors that are pretty
sensitive now and this might be a good way to have direct communication
with the far pads as well. Worth a try?
Thank you,
Richard Dierking
TRA #11366, L2
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