[real-eyes] Re: My thoughts
- From: "Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD" <morrowka@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:16:12 +0000
Wouldn't it be great if Chip's name could be somewhere on that accessible
pedestrian signal at 31st and Maine? I mean--people place stuffed animals and
crosses and all kinds of things where people are killed in traffic accidents.
It would be great if people passing by that sign could wonder, "Who was Chip
Bloch?" Just my thoughts.
Kim
Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD
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From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andrea Breier
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:44 AM
To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts
When it comes to this discussion, I have many many thoughts floating around in
my head. They may not come out in the order that I want, but maybe you will
get the idea anyway.
If there is anything at all we can do to insure that people are safer as we
walk the streets, I am all for it. After all, auto manufactures are doing
things each year to insure the safety of passengers in a car. Heck I remember
my mom thinking I was safe as a toddler if I sat at her right elbow while she
drove. We would all gasp today if someone transported a child this way.
Because of public concerns, we now have car seats for babies, air bags, and
seatbelts. Back when the closed captioning was to be added to any new
television sets, studies showed that it would cost a few hundred dollars more,
in the beginning. but then after the program was in full swing, the cost was
greatly reduced, and buyers soon didn't see any price increase when buying a
TV. Most of us on the list do not use closed captioning, but it is there if
you need it. Another example is the accessible signage in elevators. You
would be hard press, these days to find one that doesn't have that update on
it. I think that if we don't ask for things we need to increase our safety, we
will never get any improvements made. Instead will end up with downtown parks
and stuff that might be nice but not necessarily necessary. If we don't ask
for what is really needed for the blind community , we will never get it.
Safety should be higher on the list than some of the ridiculous things I have
seen passed by our government lately.
As I understand it the current law states that the new lights are to be
installed any time that traffic lights are being replaced. The audible portion
of the lights are not add on's, it is a feature already on the light. Because
of the things that the Whole Person is lobbying for, you can be sure that when
the traffic light is replaced in your neighborhood it will have to have the
audible signal on it. This is my two cents that I thought I would share with
the list.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:54 PM
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts
> What guarantee is there that Chip's life would have been saved?
> Speculation
> is all we have. Moneys have to come from some place, and I didn't say that
> they were from those things I enumerated: I only offered them as examples.
> The money is going to either be raised by taxes or some other means, or it
> is going to be from cuts some place else. That is basic economics. All I
> am
> saying here is that you need to know both the pros and the cons. You can't
> say "well, this a good thing for me and the blind community, so it must be
> good for all people."
>
> So, assuming that the funds would be at the result of sidewalks, public
> transportation, what makes them "so-called more important city services?"
> I
> think it is safe to assume that timely snow removal is a safety issue; and
> fewer private vehicles on city streets is appealing on several levels. And
> I
> can say from personal experience that there are streets where if there
> were
> sidewalks pedestrians would be safer--unequivocally so. I can speak to
> this
> from experience. When I lived off Vivion Road, I had to walk the shoulder
> of
> Vivion to get to the bus stop. It was a pretty narrow shoulder with a
> steep
> bank in places dropping off to a tumble of rocks etc. There is a stretch
> along Brighton Ave where there is no sidewalk--just a rock strewn path,
> rutted and transversed with roots in places. Part of that path is right
> next
> to the street. It is a muddy mess when wet, and it is nearly impossible to
> travel in snow and ice. If you trip or slip, you could very easily wind up
> in the street: a very busy street much of the time. You can't move away
> from
> the street unless you deal with a pretty steep bank that makes walking
> difficult. Further away, and you are well into the yards of some houses,
> and
> a bit further along, you are in parking lots of businesses. The other side
> of the street is flatter, but you have to deal with a myriad of mailboxes,
> utility poles, sign posts and driveways. Putting in a audible crossing at
> Parvin Road and N. Brighton (unless very inexpensive and perfunctory) is
> pointless as far as I am concerned. I am not going to walk N. Brighton to
> get to it unless I absolutely have to. To be sure, others may benefit from
> it. I won't until I can get there reasonably safely.
>
> What, pray tell, makes you think I don't value life? There is nothing in
> my
> posts that warrants that kind of tone.
> It's a fact that "no matter how thin the pancakes, they still have two
> sides." If you look back, you will see that I was the one who wanted to
> know
> if the media was aware of the issues at that intersection. There are
> definite advantages for audible crossings, but there may be some unseen
> disadvantages as well. You can't just declare "make it so" and pull out a
> credit card and sign on the dotted line. That kind of thinking is what has
> millions of Americans in financial hardship and the country struggling as
> well.
>
> I am glad sighted folk see the usefulness of audible crossings. However,
> unless you have a properly conducted scientific poll, you are claiming
> evidence that is statistically insignificant.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of jose
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:19 PM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts
>
> ah what proof does anyone have that putting in a stop light that we can
> all
> use has taken funds away from sidewalks, or any other city provided
> servicess?
>
> So is saving a few bucks for the so called more importent city servicess
> werth the price we might have to pay.
>
> Given the tragic loss of life not only in kc, but what about people that
> are struck each year because they are confused about a stop light.
>
> Not just The blind, I am talking about everybody.
>
> Even sited persons have said that the stop lights that make some kind of
> sound are helpful.
>
> Frankly what price do you put on a life?
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:21 PM
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts
>
>
>>I was commenting (in an amused manner) about the national organizations
>> ex'ing each other out so that nothing gets done. It's not progress, and
>> it
>> doesn't surprise me where the national organizations are concerned. I
>> don't
>> have anything against NFB, ACB or AFB, but then neither do I have
>> anything
>> for them. If folks want to involve themselves with one of the national
>> organizations, then more power to them. If not, then that is cool too.
>> It was not an indictment against individuals getting involved. If anyone
>> has
>> a philosophy on, an interest in, and full knowledge of an issue
>> (including
>> what gets moved to the back burner when you bring something else forward)
>> then get involved to whatever degree your abilities and capacities allow.
>> Otherwise, if you are ill-informed or ignorant on an issue, then you'd be
>> doing us all a favor if you bowed out: even if that is a vote for the
>> status
>> quo. I question whether any of the national organizations have a clue
>> about
>> what is "good" and "right" in local issues like this. Thus, I am
>> certainly
>> not willing to let them speak for me even if that makes me a
>> "Taft-isolationist"--a non progressive, or a moron.
>>
>> I am all in for the audible crossing signal at 39th and Main based on
>> some
>> of the facts that were posted last week as well as the expert testimony
>> of
>> O&M professionals. I'd be good with similar signals at other relevant
>> crossings, but if that meant that needed sidewalks were not built, or
>> public
>> transportation was negatively impacted, or the budget for snow removal
>> was
>> reduced (as a few examples, then I would have to re-think my position on
>> the
>> issue.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of dauidr@xxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:24 PM
>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts
>>
>> Mitch, you wonder why get involved since ACB and NFB are at odds. Answer:
>> For the sake of the blindness community as a whole.
>>
>> Noninvolvement in seeking progress is a "no vote" for progressive, or at
>> best declaring "present" instead of contributing."
>>
>> There are too many armchair quarterbacks who sit back and gripe only to
>> demand what everyone else can do for them. There are too many Taft-style
>> isolationists who simply say every disagrees on issues, so let's not get
>> involved. Thepoint is, while keeping our different philosophies and
>> stances
>> on blindness, ACB, NFB, and other organization can and should work
>> together.
>> We live in a state that has a phobia about folks being inmore than one
>> consumer or advocacy group for the blind at once. Now, it would be great
>> for
>> the light to go on or the signal to sound and we do work together,
>> contributing our unique stances, philosophies, and positions to work for
>> the
>> betterment and independence of blind and visually impaired folks.
>>
>> David
>> Matt. 28:19-20
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>> Loads and loads of people are paying taxes when they have no children in
>> school It isn't a question of having children or not; it is a question of
>> whether they are in school or not that matters. Very few taxes actually
>> tax
>> selectively. Excise taxes do, but that is about it. The rest hit just
>> about
>> everyone.
>>
>> It is ironic you would mention installing these at every corner. The
>> street
>> I had trouble crossing had a stop light for Vivion Road, but it rarely
>> triggered, and when it did, it was of extremely short duration. If you
>> walked fast, you could get from one side of the two lanes to the other.
>> Anything slower, and you wouldn't make it. It was my own fault that I got
>> stuck on that corner. I knew it was going to be sticky, but I misjudged
>> how
>> difficult and scary that crossing would ultimately be. Even if you could
>> install these audible crossing signals at every corner, I would be
>> willing
>> to bet this one would be overlooked.
>>
>>
>> ACB and NFB at odds! Why doesn't that surprise me? Sound like a good
>> reason
>> to avoid involving either of them.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Wendy
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:26 PM
>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [real-eyes] My thoughts
>>
>> Someone died last week,there is a driver who will have trouble moving on
>> in
>> life knowing that the car she drove hit someone and killed him, there is
>> a
>> grieving family and community and we all have ideas as to how to get and
>> stay safe. Total safety is a myth but we sure can and should ask for the
>> best safety methods available to all people in society.
>>
>> While living in Maryland I was trying to get a APS installed where I
>> lived
>> and it was delayed by almost a year because the engineers where afraid to
>> take action. The NFB was asking for one kind of technology and the ACB
>> wanted something else. I kept saying that anything will be fine but they
>> were concerned about one group or the other causing problems moving
>> forward.
>> SHEESH, talk about being united?It seems reasonable to think that there
>> should be an APS at every intersection that there is a light and there
>> are
>> sidewalks inviting people to walk. When there is a placid invitation such
>> as
>> a light and sidewalk, there needs to be safety measures installed.Many
>> people pay school taxes who have no children. It is for the good of
>> society
>> as is this!
>> My heart goes out to Chip's family and that poor driver. We should reach
>> out
>> to that driver who would likely now agree that something needs to be done
>> to
>> insure that no one of her family members or friends ends up having hit
>> someone and having to learn to live with that kind of sorrow on your
>> soul.
>> Wendy
>>
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