I was commenting (in an amused manner) about the national organizations ex'ing each other out so that nothing gets done. It's not progress, and it doesn't surprise me where the national organizations are concerned. I don't have anything against NFB, ACB or AFB, but then neither do I have anything for them. If folks want to involve themselves with one of the national organizations, then more power to them. If not, then that is cool too. It was not an indictment against individuals getting involved. If anyone has a philosophy on, an interest in, and full knowledge of an issue (including what gets moved to the back burner when you bring something else forward) then get involved to whatever degree your abilities and capacities allow. Otherwise, if you are ill-informed or ignorant on an issue, then you'd be doing us all a favor if you bowed out: even if that is a vote for the status quo. I question whether any of the national organizations have a clue about what is "good" and "right" in local issues like this. Thus, I am certainly not willing to let them speak for me even if that makes me a "Taft-isolationist"--a non progressive, or a moron. I am all in for the audible crossing signal at 39th and Main based on some of the facts that were posted last week as well as the expert testimony of O&M professionals. I'd be good with similar signals at other relevant crossings, but if that meant that needed sidewalks were not built, or public transportation was negatively impacted, or the budget for snow removal was reduced (as a few examples, then I would have to re-think my position on the issue. -----Original Message----- From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dauidr@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:24 PM To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts Mitch, you wonder why get involved since ACB and NFB are at odds. Answer: For the sake of the blindness community as a whole. Noninvolvement in seeking progress is a "no vote" for progressive, or at best declaring "present" instead of contributing." There are too many armchair quarterbacks who sit back and gripe only to demand what everyone else can do for them. There are too many Taft-style isolationists who simply say every disagrees on issues, so let's not get involved. Thepoint is, while keeping our different philosophies and stances on blindness, ACB, NFB, and other organization can and should work together. We live in a state that has a phobia about folks being inmore than one consumer or advocacy group for the blind at once. Now, it would be great for the light to go on or the signal to sound and we do work together, contributing our unique stances, philosophies, and positions to work for the betterment and independence of blind and visually impaired folks. 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Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> References: <20110906.125552.2731.0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <36584F651D554981AB89EC03212C1A40@mdlynn> <D5.FD.10382.7AF866E4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: My thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:00:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2851B04889F441C49E0A71AB217A678B@mdlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acxs24AeiFty0kaOSCuY3udUOu22twAA1HUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 In-Reply-To: <D5.FD.10382.7AF866E4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> X-archive-position: 12156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Errors-to: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx X-original-sender: mlynn@xxxxxxxxx Precedence: normal Reply-To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List-help: <mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=help> List-unsubscribe: <real-eyes-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=unsubscribe> List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: real-eyes <real-eyes.freelists.org> X-List-ID: real-eyes <real-eyes.freelists.org> List-subscribe: <real-eyes-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe> List-owner: <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-post: <mailto:real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-archive: <//www.freelists.org/archives/real-eyes> X-list: real-eyes X-UNTD-BodySize: 2923 X-UNTD-SPF: None X-UNTD-DKIM: PASS X-ContentStamp: 18:9:1319770380 X-MAIL-INFO:301cc5acc50dac090d6ce5acecfc559dc1599178d8c1d9dcc9c869e8e86569c5 c155287cc88cf159091de8fcc578f9c5e97d78a10dd1ec4555cc7dfc01bdbd9d010c45811c89 fca52d654118bded0c85153ccd49a55881059d9d590511cd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 206.53.239.180|freelists-180.iquest.net|turing.freelists.org|real-eyes-bounc e@xxxxxxxxxxxxx X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Loads and loads of people are paying taxes when they have no children in school It isn't a question of having children or not; it is a question of whether they are in school or not that matters. Very few taxes actually tax selectively. Excise taxes do, but that is about it. The rest hit just about everyone. It is ironic you would mention installing these at every corner. The street I had trouble crossing had a stop light for Vivion Road, but it rarely triggered, and when it did, it was of extremely short duration. If you walked fast, you could get from one side of the two lanes to the other. Anything slower, and you wouldn't make it. It was my own fault that I got stuck on that corner. I knew it was going to be sticky, but I misjudged how difficult and scary that crossing would ultimately be. Even if you could install these audible crossing signals at every corner, I would be willing to bet this one would be overlooked. ACB and NFB at odds! Why doesn't that surprise me? Sound like a good reason to avoid involving either of them. -----Original Message----- From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:26 PM To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [real-eyes] My thoughts Someone died last week,there is a driver who will have trouble moving on in life knowing that the car she drove hit someone and killed him, there is a grieving family and community and we all have ideas as to how to get and stay safe. Total safety is a myth but we sure can and should ask for the best safety methods available to all people in society. While living in Maryland I was trying to get a APS installed where I lived and it was delayed by almost a year because the engineers where afraid to take action. The NFB was asking for one kind of technology and the ACB wanted something else. I kept saying that anything will be fine but they were concerned about one group or the other causing problems moving forward. SHEESH, talk about being united?It seems reasonable to think that there should be an APS at every intersection that there is a light and there are sidewalks inviting people to walk. When there is a placid invitation such as a light and sidewalk, there needs to be safety measures installed.Many people pay school taxes who have no children. It is for the good of society as is this! My heart goes out to Chip's family and that poor driver. We should reach out to that driver who would likely now agree that something needs to be done to insure that no one of her family members or friends ends up having hit someone and having to learn to live with that kind of sorrow on your soul. 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