Her's an additional challenge: If you don't walk a certain route often, how do you know where the buttons are located? -----Original Message----- From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dauidr@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:03 PM To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes Hi, Andrea. You make a good point about the smart signals with traffic lights. I don't know if Kansas City has them, but I've seen it elsewhere that we can push a little button that regulates the "walk" light for a traffic cycle or two. If attached to this system, an audio signal would sound on when the "walk" sign is up would not confuse for us the sound of the traffic patterns. Moving forward, do you think that a group of us concerned citizens-comprising of members from both our local chapters of ACB and NFB form a working committee that meets regularly with the city to solve this issue? I know Kim mentioned the NFB traditional stance. But, since we all desire the general welfare and inclusion of blind&VI people in mainstream society, we all need to work together. 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Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:36:39 +0000 Message-ID: <82DD7F1953A14E19B452927EE16B1332@andrea78cdd59a> From: "Andrea Breier" <abreier@xxxxxxxxx> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> References: <3kBCWRJbqtDj.91wnHDKC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <9330B134AADB4C558C5CA268C32F7DC7@mdlynn> <2FA60F9BD7DBB647A5A41F08F6880B68097EBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <AB861C1C46664EB8AD5C13C7683DF797@mdlynn> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 11:36:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-archive-position: 12141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Errors-to: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx X-original-sender: abreier@xxxxxxxxx Precedence: normal Reply-To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List-help: <mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=help> List-unsubscribe: <real-eyes-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=unsubscribe> List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: real-eyes <real-eyes.freelists.org> X-List-ID: real-eyes <real-eyes.freelists.org> List-subscribe: <real-eyes-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe> List-owner: <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-post: <mailto:real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-archive: <//www.freelists.org/archives/real-eyes> X-list: real-eyes X-UNTD-BodySize: 7243 X-UNTD-SPF: None X-UNTD-DKIM: PASS X-ContentStamp: 87:43:1237326600 X-MAIL-INFO:1700a0ade1c0c0e1708da0f0b08db5a5842949294df595ad7529644dc0a4315431d454b4d4f42154d141401050c975890050a0c0f98d2d2424152d31504064298d1db1c9b471244131890131dd7d8935d420d11940ed7d41b5747410b57919bda4fd4104040d14d9d01474590dd5b09dd50d9130c4c11005a1a5b1090081e54584e12910209170b0b0f4708de1fd05b991f9d0d014b02df18d51c999949434991d2d45e5e9c9edddc45dc4dddde95dd16d11dd5d30dd38c4b5748585cd747138 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 206.53.239.180|freelists-180.iquest.net|turing.freelists.org|real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx X-UNTD-UBE:-1 I totally agree with you Mitch. I feel that the city should do everything they can to make street crossings easier for people with disabilities. Especially with the new smart lights they are using, it is making it almost impossible for blind people to cross streets with out audible signals. I am tired of the minority shouting out and then the rest of us who want it to just stand by and loose out. Hugs, AJ Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often. NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:11 AM Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes > Not everyone has good O&M skills, nor will that ever be the case. O&M is a > skill that can be developed, but like everything else in life, some have > greater potential than others. And like many other things in life, those > skills are not static. Even with constant use and practice, sills don't > remain the same as we get older. Even a little hearing loss can totally > change one's perspective on O&M. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:35 AM > To: 'real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes > > This is an issue on which the NFB and I are in total opposition. As I > understand it, the NFB believes that audible signals and other detectible > warning devices are an unnecessary expense--that if one possesses good O&M > skills, there should be no need for such extravagant accommodations. So > why, > then, are there signs and other types of visual indicators for the > sighted--all of which society deems perfectly acceptable? I hope that the > tragic event the blind community has just experienced will cause all of us > to take another look at this issue--not just at that particular > intersection, but at our safety as a whole and the types of measures that > can be undertaken to increase it. > > > > > > > Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD > Communications Specialist > Unity > Message of Hope Ministry > 1901 NW Blue Parkway > Unity Village, MO 64065 > Toll Free: 866-421-3066 > Local: 816-251-3588 > M-F, 7:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. (CT) > > > www.unity.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Mitchell D. Lynn > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:57 AM > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes > > I was thinking more about the need for electronics at that crosswalk. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of bill stephan > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:24 AM > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: Sheila Styron > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes > > > > the author of the Star article that contained the erroneous information > has > been made aware of the findings of the lead investigator. > > -original message- > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes > From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx> > Date: 09/01/2011 17:54 > > Is anyone sending this along to the news outlets? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Reginald George > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:55 PM > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; nut@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [real-eyes] Fw: Please post to real-eyes > > Please excuse the cross post. I realize that this is a technology list, > but > Chip has many friends here, and I know we are all concerned. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sheila Styron > > > > > I work as the public policy coordinator for The Whole Person and represent > this organization with the city on accessibility issues. It was in this > capacity that I contacted Sergeant Fuller, lead investigator for the > August > 31 traffic incident where Chip Block was fatally struck down. > > This is what Sergeant Fuller told me about this accident, and this officer > had been unaware of Chip's visual impairment prior to speaking with me. > > > > The events were clearly filmed by a Max bus camera. The driver, a woman > with > two dogs in her car was proceeding from west to east on 31st with the sun > in > her eyes. She was first in line for the left arrow and when she got it, > turned left. The crosswalk was apparently in some amount of shade, and she > hit Chip as he was walking across Main in the crosswalk from east to west > traveling along the north side of the intersection. The film of the > incident > clearly shows that Chip did not have the light and was not running. > > > > The intersection at 31st and Main is one where the city has been promising > to install an accessible pedestrian signal since around this time last > year. > The Children's Center for Low Vision is right there along with the > Rehabilitation Institute. Consumer groups, orientation and mobility > instructors who train visually impaired people to travel safely and > several > individuals all identified 31st and Main as a priority installation. The > city has been dragging its feet, and I recently spoke with the contractor > who has the job and says he has experienced difficulties being paid for > his > work in a timely fashion. The most recent deadline for completion on a > list > of 7 APS installations designated as priorities and including 31st and > Main > is currently set for the end of September. I feel certain that this > heartbreaking untimely death could have most likely been avoided had there > been an accessible pedestrian signal at 31st and Main. > > > > > > > > Sheila Styron, Public Policy Coordinator > > The Whole Person > > 3420 Broadway Suite 105 > > Kansas City, MO 64111 > > Work: 816.561.0304 > > Mobile: 816.896.6552 > > Fax: 816.753.8163 > > E-mail: sstyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e66529783026571c9st04vuc To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes