[real-eyes] Re: can we b united/ Please post to real-eyes
- From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:55:36 -0500
Law of diminishing returns; limited funding &c. Lots of reasons to debate
whether these adaptives are warranted in a particular time and place.
Equitable and reasoned debate is something we should expect and strive for;
however, it is unlikely that everyone will agree on this issue--or any other
issue for that matter.
As blind (or visually impaired persons) we have one major thing in common.
But we are also individuals. As individuals, we have a plethora of
differences and distinctions that help to make us "individual." I personally
have no interest or stake in an adaptive crossing signal at 39th and Main.
It's not an area I am likely to visit frequently--if at all. Facts and
expert testimony are going to have to convict me on that need. Those facts
and expert testimony will need to be compared to any other solutions in
existence or that might be imminently available. You can't please all of the
people all of the time, and you can't implement solutions for every problem
all of the time. There isn't enough money for that. Speaking of funding,
maybe the blind community should look into funding these sorts of adaptives:
after all, it is for their benefit and no one else's . Maybe we should get
behind a bill to tax the disabled community for the changes in
infrastructure we demand. It works that way for the rest of society. If you
want better streets and schools, property taxes, or sales taxes or some
other kind of tax is increased or created to cover the cost of improvements.
Before anyone gets outraged at that last thought, know that it was written
with tongue firmly in cheek.
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On Behalf Of jose
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:33 AM
To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: first steps; nut list >
Subject: [real-eyes] can we b united/ Please post to real-eyes
this thread was
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes
First of all sorry for the cross posting.
When did it become ok for the so called leaders in the Blind or V.I.
community to make these broad judgment calls.
Why can't there be a button to tern the axes traffic lights on or off.
All I would need to know is if this signal is or isn't going to help me.
can't it just tern on when I push the button.
So just like with the d.v.s. argument it's a matter of choice, thing.
Don't want d v s, don't use it. Don't want talking or beeping stop lights
then don't use them.
Think the money can be better used on other projects, well then fund them
yourselves.
No one has the write to dictate to anyone what they have to do.
They Shirley have the write to express there views, offer examples and then
allow others to respond.
That's a much more useful dialog then what often happens in these types of
disagreements.
We get so busy making our views herd, that we sometimes don't listen or
truly know what the other person is talking about.
So I am asking myself, What has to happen for all of us in the Blind and
V.I.community to be united once and for all.
Why has it become ok for the us VS Them attitude and name calling to creep
into our lives.
I am publicly appealing to the Missouri chapters of the N.F.B. A.C.B. and
all kc groups that help the disabled to use any means possible to work
together towards resolving this matter asap.
First steps for the blind is starting to work on this too. I understand
from the email I read that The Whole Person has been working on this as
well. I am pretty shore that the N.F.B kc chapter has also had a voice on
this.
Now we just need to pull it all together so we can be herd as one voice.
A good friend of mine who is not on this list once said to me, Blind people
are real good at hell razing. he was Wright. However hell razing sometimes
will not get us what we need.
It just feels good to do, but it acts like a steam roller and just hardens
the other persons views.
I am shore that by now the city is well where of what happened to chip.
The question is what is the city going to do about it? I can't help but ask
myself, Why is it taking so long to effect positive change? I guess my
answer lies in my words above. Our efforts are split, because we are split
it puts the persons that are wishing to help us on the spot.
No matter what they do, there is a group that will be unhappy.
I pray that we can make it easier for them to make us all feel herd and
maybe 80% happy.
I plan to reach out to all of the kc Blind groups in the next few weeks so
we can be a united front on this.
I never again want any of my Blind brothers and sisters to die while
crossing a busy street because the stop light wasn't accessible.
Donold Trump wrote in his book called How to kic ass in business and life
"when it comes to solving a problem,I don't waste time foccosing on it, I
already know what the problem is, I look for a salusion."
I feel that this is the best way to handel any problems.
hugs to all that read this.
Jose Lopez, President
Lopez Language Services, LLC
"We Speak Your Language"
Call us anytime at 888.824.3022
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes
> Not everyone has good O&M skills, nor will that ever be the case. O&M is a
> skill that can be developed, but like everything else in life, some have
> greater potential than others. And like many other things in life, those
> skills are not static. Even with constant use and practice, sills don't
> remain the same as we get older. Even a little hearing loss can totally
> change one's perspective on O&M.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:35 AM
> To: 'real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes
>
> This is an issue on which the NFB and I are in total opposition. As I
> understand it, the NFB believes that audible signals and other detectible
> warning devices are an unnecessary expense--that if one possesses good O&M
> skills, there should be no need for such extravagant accommodations. So
> why,
> then, are there signs and other types of visual indicators for the
> sighted--all of which society deems perfectly acceptable? I hope that the
> tragic event the blind community has just experienced will cause all of us
> to take another look at this issue--not just at that particular
> intersection, but at our safety as a whole and the types of measures that
> can be undertaken to increase it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD
> Communications Specialist
> Unity
> Message of Hope Ministry
> 1901 NW Blue Parkway
> Unity Village, MO 64065
> Toll Free: 866-421-3066
> Local: 816-251-3588
> M-F, 7:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. (CT)
>
>
> www.unity.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Mitchell D. Lynn
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:57 AM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes
>
> I was thinking more about the need for electronics at that crosswalk.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of bill stephan
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:24 AM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Sheila Styron
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes
>
>
>
> the author of the Star article that contained the erroneous information
> has
> been made aware of the findings of the lead investigator.
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Please post to real-eyes
> From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" <mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 09/01/2011 17:54
>
> Is anyone sending this along to the news outlets?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Reginald George
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:55 PM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; nut@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [real-eyes] Fw: Please post to real-eyes
>
> Please excuse the cross post. I realize that this is a technology list,
> but
> Chip has many friends here, and I know we are all concerned.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sheila Styron
>
>
>
>
> I work as the public policy coordinator for The Whole Person and represent
> this organization with the city on accessibility issues. It was in this
> capacity that I contacted Sergeant Fuller, lead investigator for the
> August
> 31 traffic incident where Chip Block was fatally struck down.
>
> This is what Sergeant Fuller told me about this accident, and this officer
> had been unaware of Chip's visual impairment prior to speaking with me.
>
>
>
> The events were clearly filmed by a Max bus camera. The driver, a woman
> with
> two dogs in her car was proceeding from west to east on 31st with the sun
> in
> her eyes. She was first in line for the left arrow and when she got it,
> turned left. The crosswalk was apparently in some amount of shade, and she
> hit Chip as he was walking across Main in the crosswalk from east to west
> traveling along the north side of the intersection. The film of the
> incident
> clearly shows that Chip did not have the light and was not running.
>
>
>
> The intersection at 31st and Main is one where the city has been promising
> to install an accessible pedestrian signal since around this time last
> year.
> The Children's Center for Low Vision is right there along with the
> Rehabilitation Institute. Consumer groups, orientation and mobility
> instructors who train visually impaired people to travel safely and
> several
> individuals all identified 31st and Main as a priority installation. The
> city has been dragging its feet, and I recently spoke with the contractor
> who has the job and says he has experienced difficulties being paid for
> his
> work in a timely fashion. The most recent deadline for completion on a
> list
> of 7 APS installations designated as priorities and including 31st and
> Main
> is currently set for the end of September. I feel certain that this
> heartbreaking untimely death could have most likely been avoided had there
> been an accessible pedestrian signal at 31st and Main.
>
>
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>
>
> Sheila Styron, Public Policy Coordinator
>
> The Whole Person
>
> 3420 Broadway Suite 105
>
> Kansas City, MO 64111
>
> Work: 816.561.0304
>
> Mobile: 816.896.6552
>
> Fax: 816.753.8163
>
> E-mail: sstyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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