[pure-silver] Re: copal no 1 shutter question

  • From: `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:58:17 -0700

The pins were usually on shutters meant to work with solenoid type flash synchronizers to insure they would stay in place. The pin is usually removable (and is missing on some shutters).
I have not see a shutter than needed more than a hole cut in the lens board. Note that some shutters can be mounted with the mounting ring on the back. Some Kodak and other shutters do not have screw holes on the ring so must be mounted this way. Some larger shutters can be mounted either way.
Many lens boards are just flat wood or metal with perhaps a tapered side. Some, like the board for the Pacemaker series Speed and Crown graphics are stamped sheet metal with folded sides. I have not tried to make makeshift boards for these. One must use an original. Earlier Graphic cameras used wood boards that are easy to make. Most view cameras use plain flat wood or metal boards. I have even made temporary boards from corrugated cardboard. Its been a while since I've seen a Linhoff lens board. Some lens boards have a tab on them to accept a lock screw. I think this can be makeshifted but I don't have a camera that needs one.
As far as old shutters go, most just need cleaning. Use naphtha or Ronsonol lighter fluid for cleaning. Where oil is needed a good light synthetic oil, like the Labelle oils sold for model trains works quite well. Very little is needed, mostly on bearings and sometimes on the escapement of a slow speed timer.
I have not been into a Copal shutter for a while. Some shutters, mainly Compur and Kodak, have main springs of the spiral type like small clock motor springs. If they are weak they must be replaced. Other springs are either helical and can often be replaced with springs made of stock spring stock or are hair springs which can be made of piano wire.
Springs become weak through constant use, not standing under constant compression or extension. The weakening is due to metal fatigue which requires motion. While it is common to see a caution not to keep a camera cocked for long periods of time this actually will not damage springs and some cameras are designed to be cocked between exposures and are re-wound when the film is moved. For instance, the self timer in the Rolleiflex Automatic is kept wound nearly all the time.
When shutters run slow it is usually due to dirt or gelled up lubricant. Proper cleaning will fix this. Also note that the marked speeds on many shutters is the _effective_ speed at maximum aperture measured at the half transmission point. If you measure the speed for a small stop, sometimes called the total open time, it is often much slower, perhaps double the marked value. This, of course depends on the opening and closing time of the blades. Since that is fairly constant the difference between marked and effective speed varies with the speed and stop, the error being greater at higher speeds and smaller stops.
Focal plane shutters have another set of vices all their own. The _effective_ speed depends on the distance of the shutter curtain from the focal plane and the angle of the light beam from the lens. The difference between marked and actual speed can be relatively small as in many 35mm cameras or quite large, as much as 50%, for large shutters like the one in Speed Graphics or Graflex SLR cameras. Where the lens is interchangeable the error will vary with the focal length (really the back focus) of the lens and even distance of the lens from the film plane. At one time it was common to think that the efficiency of a focal plane shutter was always high but they are no more efficient than leaf shutters and no more inherently accurate.

On 4/3/2019 12:05 PM, Jean-David Beyer (Redacted sender jeandavid8 for DMARC) wrote:

On 4/3/19 1:19 PM, mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
What I don't know is about the lens boards, and really haven't found a
picture of one.  Some are quite simple, but others can be quite
complex.  If its just cutting the right size piece of metal and putting
the right size hole in the center, that I can handle.  If there are
threads involved, it has light traps and other things as a part of the
lens board, that could get much tougher.    Any help would be appreciated.

If I remember correctly, some shutters need, in addition to the big hole
to let the light get through, also a little one to accept an
anti-rotation pin (I do not know its real name). Now you can remove that
pin (it is actually just a little screw whose head sticks out), but it
is nice to have because if you screw on filters, lens shades, etc, you
may not want the lens moving.

Trouble is, I cannot remember if the Copal #1 is one of these, and I
cannot find my special tool to take the lenses off the lens-boards to
find out.

http://skgrimes.com/products/new-copal-shutters/standardcopals



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Richard Knoppow
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
WB6KBL
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